Just downloaded Reason 6.5 plus a couple of RE's from the shop...

[eXode]

cool.. but what about if i move a plugins "order" in the mixer..


say i have an eq then comp and decide i want the comp before the eq, can i just move them like i can in any daw or is that what you mean buy i will need to repatch it?

Also are there any tarnce gates or step sequecners?

Alligator could be described as a trance gate, found under creative fx (I think). Matrix is a step sequencer, found under utilities if I recall correctly.

[saturdaysaint]

...or of course the rest of the world can simply download Rough Rider as a FREE VST plugin with a much better interface

Well, the interface is identical to the modules in the (drumroll) $40 Rough Rider Pro VST. Since Combinators can easily handle all of the multiband duties (even adding more bands than the RRP and adding pre-compressor insert effects on any band) it's arguably a better deal.

So to be clear (seriously, because I'm not understanding you here): what can you do with the $29 Rough Rider RE plus Reason's Combinator that you couldn't (even more quickly) do with the Freeware Rough Rider VST in Ableton's effects rack?

At the very least, you can turn ANY compressor or effect into a multiband compressor/effect (and then save it into a combinator that can be recalled like any plugin). The freeware vst doesn't appear to have multiband functionality. I know ways of effecting different bands of a signal separately in any sequencer, but none as compact and easily recallable as a combinator.

Additionally, since the interface is identical to the $40 multiband VST and not the freeware vst, I'm curious if the DSP has seen upgrades. So in mildly knowledgeable hands, the RE is really a more flexible version of the $40 VST.

[eXode]

cool.. but what about if i move a plugins "order" in the mixer..


say i have an eq then comp and decide i want the comp before the eq, can i just move them like i can in any daw or is that what you mean buy i will need to repatch it?

Also are there any tarnce gates or step sequecners?

Yes, you will have to repatch them.

As for the main mixer channelstrips (big mixer, F5) you can re-route the signal path in the top section (input) by the help of the buttons there.

You can choose to put the insert effects before the eq and dynamics section of a specific track.

You can choose to have the dynamics post the EQ

You can choose to put the filters to the dynamics sidechain.

[liquidsound]

At the very least, you can turn ANY compressor or effect into a multiband compressor/effect (and then save it into a combinator that can be recalled like any plugin). The freeware vst doesn't appear to have multiband functionality. I know ways of effecting different bands of a signal separately in any sequencer, but none as compact and easily recallable as a combinator.

Now you can do the same thing, or better, with the MUX VST coming out soon, which is a super-combinator for your favorite DAW.
And yes, you can store the configuration as a preset.

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[saturdaysaint]

cool.. but what about if i move a plugins "order" in the mixer..


say i have an eq then comp and decide i want the comp before the eq, can i just move them like i can in any daw or is that what you mean buy i will need to repatch it?

In the SSL mix window you can reorder the channel strip effects, but...

In the Rack you need to fully repatch them by flipping the rack and manually dragging each cable. It's easy to do though, and only takes a few minutes.

Why wouldn't you just rearrange them and do "disconnect devices" and "auto connect devices"?

[saturdaysaint]

At the very least, you can turn ANY compressor or effect into a multiband compressor/effect (and then save it into a combinator that can be recalled like any plugin). The freeware vst doesn't appear to have multiband functionality. I know ways of effecting different bands of a signal separately in any sequencer, but none as compact and easily recallable as a combinator.

Now you can do the same thing, or better, with the MUX VST coming out soon, which is a super-combinator for your favorite DAW.
And yes, you can store the configuration as a preset.

Very cool. Can it use Studio One's internal plugins?

[eXode]

Thanks for the answers.. i re arrange fx chains all the time and take it for granted as a 5 second process if that, so reason would drive me insane.

that said, i wanted to see how it worked in live with rewire

Which OS and version are you running? If you are running 64-bit the issue might be that live doesn't support 64-bit rewire. There was a trick to install 32-bit Reason (w 32-bit rewire) on a 64-bit machine but I can't remember from the top of my head.

[saturdaysaint]

Ttoz - make sure the slave and host are running in the same bit-mode (eg 32 or 64). Common Rewire setup snafu.

[kmonkey]

So is the answer to my question no or yes?

Can i use RE in Reason 6.5 demo (which is fully functional demo btw) but without Propellerhead dongle? IS it possible or not? My logic tell me that it should be possible since i am allowed to run fully functional demo but there isn't clear answer yet.
Also there isn't clear answer at shop FAQ so i am asking here did anyone managed to run RE extensions in demo? Ttoz you?

I am very new to this so i want to know am i doing something wrong?

[headquest]

Ttoz - make sure the slave and host are running in the same bit-mode (eg 32 or 64). Common Rewire setup snafu.

Absolutely. Ableton is a 32-but host, and you will need to install the 32-bit Reason.

[liquidsound]

At the very least, you can turn ANY compressor or effect into a multiband compressor/effect (and then save it into a combinator that can be recalled like any plugin). The freeware vst doesn't appear to have multiband functionality. I know ways of effecting different bands of a signal separately in any sequencer, but none as compact and easily recallable as a combinator.

Now you can do the same thing, or better, with the MUX VST coming out soon, which is a super-combinator for your favorite DAW.
And yes, you can store the configuration as a preset.

Very cool. Can it use Studio One's internal plugins?

Great question. I also use S1 and I will contact Jo, the developer and find out.
In MUX you can modulate everything including other VST and build even synths and effects in it.
Kind of RE... except that the VST in RE have additional outputs, for now....
I hope it will be port in Reason RE as well soon. That would create a real improvement due to the easiness in which you can connect the various RACK modules inside the MUX. And it comes with a real sampler and modules etc.
RE would benefit from it.

[kmonkey]

I see it as a modular hardware system. This is how we designed our REs, basically carbon copies of analog hardware modules: very few parameters, controllable via CV, same sound quality. Only difference, you get as many instances as you like, they can process stereo and due to the sandboxed nature, they can (in theory) last forever.

Now, this doesn't replace your current DAW at all. It's simply a different concept.

Richard

Richard is there any chance for Pro-9 and something as Dune as RE products?

[eXode]

In some Reason devices there are break out jacks in the actual signal path, not sure how you would achieve something like that in VST (with MUX).

I.e. on The Echo you can tap the signal out of the feedback loop, run it through a trance gate (Alligator) or whatever you throw at it, and then send it back into the feedback loop of the Echo.

[headquest]

At the very least, you can turn ANY compressor or effect into a multiband compressor/effect (and then save it into a combinator that can be recalled like any plugin). The freeware vst doesn't appear to have multiband functionality. I know ways of effecting different bands of a signal separately in any sequencer, but none as compact and easily recallable as a combinator.

First of all, to avoid confusion, Rough Rider RE is identical to the freeware Rough Rider, not the multiband. Or to put it another way, in the words of the Audio Damage developer himself:

It is identical to the VST, internally. It uses exactly the same DSP code.

The functionality you mention is due to the use of the Combinator. Ableton's instrument and effect racks came out a few months after the Combinator, and seem to have been a deliberate effort to improve on what Propellerhead had achieved in their software. So all the trick you mention relating to the Combinator, including patch saving, multiband stuff, etc can all be done in the Ableton racks - and a sh*t load more besides. And in my experience of both, all of these things are (for me) much easier and quicker to navigate, with clearer (and fully resizable) text graphics, etc than the Combinator.

For example, if you use Rough Rider (freeware) in an instrument rack in Ableton, you can have the different compression settings mapped to MIDI note trigger, to velocity, or a combination of those. And you can use it as a multiband effect insert on an external synth including MIDI out and back in to the Ableton Rack. Just a couple of instant examples. You can really do an unlimited amount of stuff if you are a tweaker, and personally I barely scratch the surface of the power that's there!

Admittedly, the stuff we are discussing is probably not possible, or at least not easy, in some other VST hosts. I guess that's why it's great to have all these nice choices of course