Just downloaded Reason 6.5 plus a couple of RE's from the shop...

[liquidsound]

At the very least, you can turn ANY compressor or effect into a multiband compressor/effect (and then save it into a combinator that can be recalled like any plugin). The freeware vst doesn't appear to have multiband functionality. I know ways of effecting different bands of a signal separately in any sequencer, but none as compact and easily recallable as a combinator.

First of all, to avoid confusion, Rough Rider RE is identical to the freeware Rough Rider, not the multiband. Or to put it another way, in the words of the Audio Damage developer himself:

It is identical to the VST, internally. It uses exactly the same DSP code.

The functionality you mention is due to the use of the Combinator. Ableton's instrument and effect racks came out a few months after the Combinator, and seem to have been a deliberate effort to improve on what Propellerhead had achieved in their software. So all the trick you mention relating to the Combinator, including patch saving, multiband stuff, etc can all be done in the Ableton racks - and a sh*t load more besides. And in my experience of both, all of these things are (for me) much easier and quicker to navigate, with clearer (and fully resizable) text graphics, etc than the Combinator.

For example, if you use Rough Rider (freeware) in an instrument rack in Ableton, you can have the different compression settings mapped to MIDI note trigger, to velocity, or a combination of those. And you can use it as a multiband effect insert on an external synth including MIDI out and back in to the Ableton Rack. Just a couple of instant examples. You can really do an unlimited amount of stuff if you are a tweaker, and personally I barely scratch the surface of the power that's there!

Admittedly, the stuff we are discussing is probably not possible, or at least not easy, in some other VST hosts. I guess that's why it's great to have all these nice choices of course

But Live Racks are limited to Live while a VST like a MUX can be used anywhere and possibly in Reason RE too.

[yevster]

I'm not sure what this MUX is, but it sounds a lot like Kore 2, and we all know how that ended.

[kmonkey]

I'm not sure what this MUX is, but it sounds a lot like Kore 2, and we all know how that ended.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[liquidsound]

I'm not sure what this MUX is, but it sounds a lot like Kore 2, and we all know how that ended.

Far from it. It is an integral part of MuLab, going to the VST format and possibly RE. A Monster!

[kmonkey]

well that was over before it started.. no delay comp for sure..

just tested by doing a redrum pattern, inserting a neptune which i knew would cause latency, bypasing all the actual sound processing of neptune so the kick drum sounded the same, then loaded another redrum, loaded the exact same kit, put the kick drum in the same spot, and all out of phase..

delete neptune, all perfect.

That positively sucks! i was starting to get into it.

actually that's a tad pathetic.

It's also pathetic that their own technology can't function as a rewire master.

Although i got it working with live as a master and syncing loops worked great

but you noticed live was using double the cpu than just running the same track in reason.

anyway, no pdc, for their own effects no less, no dice.

The softube stuff has latency as will the ozone mximizer etc

people are going to be going crazy trying to work out phase problems and timing issues, because many reason users wouldn't have even heard of delay comp before..

then that will become the next big request like it was for pro tools, then people will beg for it for years, and we will see it in reason 10 or something.

I'm out

what losers.. (props i mean), that is really, REALLY stupid.

I was about to ask same thing. How is PDC solved? But i think you should wait before rolling this out. Someone representing Propellerheads here at KVR (i can't recall name) said in one thread that PDC is surely not overlooked and that they will manage it.

I guess that 6.5 is kinda rushed release to make stuff going. I expect some cool improvements to SDK and their own sequencer. I just hope that you are very wrong and that people won't wait to long for this (version 10 )

[hotmitts]

I've been a Reason user for a good while. Just downloaded the update, the free RE's and demo's of the TSAR reverb and Radical Piano.
This is annoying though.
When I open a Reason song I get a dialogue saying the demo RE's won't work offline, so I have to log in to use them. So I hit 'Log In' and I have to type my username and password each time I open a song, because it doesn't have an option to remember them. Seems abit strange, eh?
I never use the log-in , I always have the Dongle in. What's with all this then?

[yevster]

I'm not sure what this MUX is, but it sounds a lot like Kore 2, and we all know how that ended.

Far from it. It is an integral part of MuLab, going to the VST format and possibly RE. A Monster!

RE? You really think Potatoheads will allow an extension that will allow loading plugins without paying them 30% of price?

[bmrzycki]

Really? How do you draw your LFO curves? Which device have that option? I never saw it. I tried Reason 1 back in old days and then i tried v3. Now i tried v6 and i can't see it.

I can think of 2 ways to do this:

1. switch the matrix to curve mode (little switch in the top left). Draw a wave.
2. use the curve CV of the thor's step sequencer. You can't see the settings but you have 2 curves you can set with the knobs.

It's not as nice as a graphical draw mode like Zebra's/Alchemy's/Omnisphere's MSEGs though.

[bmrzycki]

I have to log in to use them. So I hit 'Log In' and I have to type my username and password each time I open a song, because it doesn't have an option to remember them.

The props said you have to use internet authentication to try plugins, doesn't work with the dongle. My guess is they don't write a license to the dongle until you purchase and the trial timeouts are kept on their local servers.

[Flandersh]

I made a VST plugin with break out jacks, which work great with Reaper and Usine. I look forward to the Mux VST and will then develop more active VST plugins with both breakout jacks and other stuffs.

Can you show us how it works?

In Usine it is as easy as patching the plugins outputs 3/4 to an effect and the effect out to the 3/4 inputs of the plugins. It is as easy as hosts which let one route a plugins audio ins/outs can be used with this breakout mode (From older hosts like Tracktion to newer hosts like Reaper).

Easine (The Usine sketchpad):


At the moment only a mono beta version is available for downloading (meaning one have to use output/input 2 as breakout, or otherwise using it as a stereo spatializing tools. I think the little pdf manual says something about it): http://www.mediafire.com/?vdusj35468parsd

Thought, don't expect too much. It was mere a test of the possibilities rather than a fullblown VST plugin; thought it can be used for some cool effects.

[hotmitts]

I have to log in to use them. So I hit 'Log In' and I have to type my username and password each time I open a song, because it doesn't have an option to remember them.

The props said you have to use internet authentication to try plugins, doesn't work with the dongle. My guess is they don't write a license to the dongle until you purchase and the trial timeouts are kept on their local servers.

Yup, it's...annoying.. because it's not like Steam or something, which remembers your data. I mean I have to manually type my password and username, there's no option to remember. Every time I open a song.
Errr...could be some setting on my computer gone wrong, I dunno. I'm so tired of all this Internet Authorise stuff, it's why I won't play Diablo, ...used to be my favourite game series.

[Flandersh]

In some Reason devices there are break out jacks in the actual signal path, not sure how you would achieve something like that in VST (with MUX).

I.e. on The Echo you can tap the signal out of the feedback loop, run it through a trance gate (Alligator) or whatever you throw at it, and then send it back into the feedback loop of the Echo.

I made a VST plugin with break out jacks, which work great with Reaper and Usine. I look forward to the Mux VST and will then develop more active VST plugins with both breakout jacks and other stuffs.

Can you try your Plugins the MUX in Mulab Free and see the results?
This would be the equivalent of RE in your favorite host!!!

Haven't had time for it yet, my studies are my main focus at the moment so.

[liquidsound]

I'm not sure what this MUX is, but it sounds a lot like Kore 2, and we all know how that ended.

Far from it. It is an integral part of MuLab, going to the VST format and possibly RE. A Monster!

RE? You really think Potatoheads will allow an extension that will allow loading plugins without paying them 30% of price?

Loading them in the MUX which is loaded in the Racks(if ever will happen). So they got their 30% when someone buys the MUX.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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