KVR Audio

Timfonie · Post by **Timfonie** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:30 pm

(double post)

Timfonie · Post by **Timfonie** » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:33 pm

B.t.w. people did you hear the audio example? It sounds very convincing.

JimmiG · Post by **JimmiG** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:09 am

Sounds very nice, but it annoys me that *everyone* suddenly has got to have zero delay feedback filters. A couple of months ago, no one even knew what the term meant. Now it's the new buzzword

If it's as CPU-intensive as Diva, I would have to upgrade my computer.. but then it would be cheaper to just get a real Juno...

mcnoone · Post by **mcnoone** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:11 am

This is really good news.
Love the TAL synths, and fx are good too.

braj · Post by **braj** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:16 am

It is new technology, not just some buzzword. I don't think the "problem" resides with developers here. That a new technology requires new hardware is in no way surprising or disturbing to me. I also hope it is CPU friendly but will be happy as long as it sounds good and is a solid plugin. Making the beat quality sound is the goal, not running on any old computer. We have the old, free, very cpu light version for those machines already.

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:21 am

robenestobenz · Post by **robenestobenz** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:45 am

JimmiG wrote:Sounds very nice, but it annoys me that *everyone* suddenly has got to have zero delay feedback filters. A couple of months ago, no one even knew what the term meant. Now it's the new buzzword

I know what you mean, but on the other hand TAL's Noisemaker has had a zero delay filter type since January, so not that sudden. The CPU usage seems okay on my ageing Q6600.

RexXx · Post by **RexXx** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:21 pm

People that donated 17$ or more until the 11.06.2012 will get a free license as a thank-you.

Got a mail from Patrick:
This thank-you is only for "old" donors until 11.06.2012 (european date format).
It's a thank-you for their support in the past.
The final price for U-NO-LX won't be very high.

JimmiG · Post by **JimmiG** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:28 pm

braj wrote:It is new technology, not just some buzzword. I don't think the "problem" resides with developers here. That a new technology requires new hardware is in no way surprising or disturbing to me. I also hope it is CPU friendly but will be happy as long as it sounds good and is a solid plugin. Making the beat quality sound is the goal, not running on any old computer. We have the old, free, very cpu light version for those machines already.

That depends on who you listen to. According to some developers, most synths have had zero delay feedback filters for many years.. But that's a discussion for another thread

Also I'm all for new technology - but can't we use that new technology for something other than emulating mid-range keyboards from the early 1980's and 70's?

Timfonie · Post by **Timfonie** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:53 pm

JimmiG wrote:Also I'm all for new technology - but can't we use that new technology for something other than emulating mid-range keyboards from the early 1980's and 70's?

Taking these machines as to be copied examples the current state of the best VA algorithms can be shown. A succesful comparison with the original hardware is an extra boost to the perception of analog quality, whereas an equaly good but new and original synth sounds just 'good'. It's also more likely a vst synth developer has got a midrange analog synth from that era to analyze, instead of an expensive top range one.

That said, yeah, I'm all in for a Alesis Andromeda clone.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:04 pm

JimmiG wrote: Also I'm all for new technology - but can't we use that new technology for something other than emulating mid-range keyboards from the early 1980's and 70's?

You make a good point and I'll add why emulate anything at all? Let's look forward and see what new instruments and sounds we can create.........

robenestobenz · Post by **robenestobenz** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:06 pm

Just out of interest, did anyone else prefer the plugin to the HW in the sound example?

Listening to it again, the only thing that ain't so great is that the plugin's attack and decay sound flabbier (or slower/more gentle, hell knows) to me. Particularly noticeable in the two example sounds that play from 4:45.

lionscub68 · Post by **lionscub68** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:36 pm

For the A/B Comparison:
It sounds great to me. I used to own a Juno-60. What's weird is not hearing noise when you're not playing, if you know what I mean. Man, I'm getting old. However I did notice the VST seemed ever-so-slightly brighter than the hardware. VERY slightly. Also, the attack seemed just a tad steeper -- but these are both very subjective opinions since I can't see the settings on either the hardware or the VST, so as far as I know one of the settings is off a micron or two.

Having said that, I believe this emulation is spot-on so far to my ears. After all, we have to assume not every Juno-60 sounded exactly the same due to the nature of analog components, correct?

I wish there was a little bit more public knowledge, or longer time span to donate the $17. If I had known about it before 6/11, I would have participated. I'm on KVR nearly every day and I never heard about this until I stumbled on it yesterday or so.

Suggestion:
Please please please make it easy to add 3rd party sounds, particularly for Mac users. I never could figure out how to add patches in the old U-NO-60 Audio Unit. I've since switched to using more VSTs whenever possible since I switched from Logic to Live 8, but still can't figure out how to add patches. Also, please add a drop-down patch selection within the GUI itself, without having to rely on the Host.

On a side note:
After you are done with this new and improved Juno-60 emulation?
I'll pay you in advance to help out this fella here to finish up and then MAKE A MAC VERSION.

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:02 pm

I can't get audio example to play.

robenestobenz · Post by **robenestobenz** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:15 pm

osiris wrote:I can't get audio example to play.

I had to download it. Might be because it's 100mb.

TAL-U-NO-LX. Uber accurate Juno 60 emulation.