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Synthbuilder · Post by **Synthbuilder** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:31 pm

I'm sure the pricing would be more palatable if the RE could be sold. Making them a one and only purchase seems really really daft. I buy and sell a lot of stuff - it's part of the fun of making music for me. I like to have new things to play with and often sell things on a couple of years later.

I still have a Sonar 7PE box on the shelf above me. It serves to remind me just how annoying a NFR license can be.

Tony

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:09 pm

What about if someone wants to resell the whole package: Reason and all the RE and get out of it.
That shouldn't be as difficult as they say it is for the RE swap. The whole account could transferred at once without too many logistics.
That at least it's better then nothing at all.

george · Post by **george** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:13 pm

Not allowing to cross grade or get RE at a discount for VST/AU owners does not seem a good start.

eidenk · Post by **eidenk** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:16 pm

What happens when/if someone writes an RE wrapper for VST?

george · Post by **george** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:17 pm

He gets banned from RE marketplace

eidenk · Post by **eidenk** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:18 pm

george · Post by **george** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:22 pm

But take my bet about Props not allowing things like that on their SDK.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:22 pm

liquidsound wrote:What about if someone wants to resell the whole package: Reason and all the RE and get out of it.
That shouldn't be as difficult as they say it is for the RE swap. The whole account could transferred at once without too many logistics.
That at least it's better then nothing at all.

They allow license transfers - i.e. the dongle and authorisation of Reason itself

They do not allow Account transfers - and since RE is tied to your online account, you cannot sell RE even as part of a Reason sale. You can only sell Reason alone, and wave goodbye to your investment in RE.

Fantastic piece of extra money spinning, provided none of us starts asking pesky questions or drawing attention to their dodgy practices on the interwebs. Oh, hang on...

braj · Post by **braj** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:46 pm

In an interview I saw Props said they just wanted a portion of whatever sales, and if something was free then they were fine getting nothing. So what is the problem with license transfers where they get nothing, or a discounted plugin where they get less? I really feel thy are being dishonest in this whole endeavor. The bottom line is they want to maximize profits at the expense of third parties and customers. It is a dictatorship not a partnership.

bmrzycki · Post by **bmrzycki** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:48 pm

Urs wrote:I'm pretty sure that if a voucher system existed, we'd use it and we'd already have REs. I'm also pretty sure that this means a loss of hundreds of sales for us, if only every, say, 50th Uhbik use was going to get the discounted REs.
Thus, blaming the lack of vouchers on the RE developers or calling it a convenience is weird, quite frankly. I for one am very unhappy.

And you have every right to be unhappy -- you worked hard to be a part of their press release demo and marketing only to have them mention at the very end that vouchers won't happen once the store opened.

I'm one of those customers that are very disappointed I have to re-buy something that even the original developer wants to give me a discount on but isn't allowed.

kmonkey · Post by **kmonkey** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:51 pm

I don't get one thing. Maybe it's because of my bad english but i just visited wiki and searched about sale and i still don't get behavior of some companies (not just Propellerhead, take ImageLine for example).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales

A sale is the act of selling a product or service in return for money or other compensation.It is an act of completion of a commercial activity.

Thing which i can't get. If i buy something which goes under "sale" does that not mean that i bought it? Isn't that a sale? Isn't it mine then? I mean i give them my money and they don't have any restriction about how to spend my money. Why would i have restriction with product i bought

And isn't that a completion of commercial activity once when they have my money?

How is possible that someone who is making sale of product can "rule" something about product once when it's being sold?

Isn't it sounding stupid? I mean how funny would it sound in position where i buy something but i say to Propellerhead: yes i bought it from you but you can't spend my money on anything. You have to keep it in your bank account forever

With that policy I guess they wouldn't managed to live not even a year in these fast and tricky times where things evolve quickly and you want to go ahead and invest in something different, getting rid and selling old stuff just to go ahead with technology or trend if you like (i think you get my analogy-beside that even they so famous user loving props changed their mind several times within past years).

Maybe i am stupid yes, but all these hidden EULA things and whatnot makes me feel that i am not buying software, i am renting it. By all common logic it is sounding like "rent" not "sale".

Now i am sure that if it was called software "rent" not "sale" many of us wouldn't bought it in the first place..

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:55 pm

braj wrote:In an interview I saw Props said they just wanted a portion of whatever sales, and if something was free then they were fine getting nothing. So what is the problem with license transfers where they get nothing, or a discounted plugin where they get less?

Simple - they didn't really think it through from the customer's perspective at all, in spite of all the daft claims they stated at the launch event.

I really feel thy are being dishonest in this whole endeavor.

I've been using Reason for years.... but yes, very disillusioned.

It's easy to conclude at this point that their current strategy is entirely based on marketing BS, lies, and negative campaigning against their competitors (i.e. VST etc). No longer a company I can really support or respect

braj · Post by **braj** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:09 pm

They are just too handy with those scissors.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:12 pm

headquest wrote:It's easy to conclude at this point that their current strategy is entirely based on marketing BS, lies, and negative campaigning against their competitors (i.e. VST etc). No longer a company I can really support or respect

*10

braj · Post by **braj** » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:14 pm

Yeah i was planning on getting Elements but now that is firmly off the table.

Wow, Rack Extensions are expensive