Just downloaded Reason 6.5 plus a couple of RE's from the shop...

[bmrzycki]

so then HOW is u-he doing the uhbiks and HOW is predator coming, which is a very complex synth with TONS of parameters and effects?

From what I understand the RE SDK is actively being updated based on feedback from the developers. This is the supposed reason most of the devices in the store today are effects and will likely change as the SDK gets more features and matures.

[kae]

Sounds to me they rushed the release. They should have delayed it until the store had more to offer and the SDK was more functional or at least was v1.0. If it's correct that u-he had to go back to the drawingboard just before release because the SDK changed then they definitely should had delayed it a month or two.

[drez]

Sounds to me they rushed the release. They should have delayed it until the store had more to offer and the SDK was more functional or at least was v1.0. If it's correct that u-he had to go back to the drawingboard just before release because the SDK changed then they definitely should had delayed it a month or two.

Why wait? I mean, there are a bunch of devices ready to be sold. If they only had the PH RE's, then that would seem like sound logic, but they've got a bunch of nice RE's, even if there isn't a synth in there yet.

Don't get me wrong, the first synth that goes in there is going to do very well and I'll probably buy it sight unseen, because for the Reason community...it doesn't even matter what it is. Reason users will eat it like candy. I think that's probably why they just released RE's when they did. There's enough in the store that people are happy, they are getting good feedback from lots more people using it (Both the Users and the Dev's) and can get the SDK rev'd up fairly quickly with the changes.

The PH's are so secretive. They HATE letting the cat out of the bag. I'm sure very select few got to mess with the SDK and that really isn't enough of a sampling to figure out the "crap, we should have done x", or "crap, we definitely should NOT have done y", etc. Now that the covers are off, now they can move forward with the masses.

Reason users are the most loyal customers in Audio, IMO. They will wait if they know what's possible and coming down the pipe.

[saturdaysaint]

There's always a peanut gallery telling tech companies they "should have had x from the get go" or "this product is useless without x"; in the meantime, successful entrepreneurs talk in terms of releasing the "MVP" (minimum viable product) to establish a market presence and gauge customer feedback. I remember it happening to Apple when the iPhone came out ("this should have had an app store from the beginning, where's copy and paste" etc etc) - 5 years later, they're on their way to the most profitable year any company in history has had, largely on the back of that once maligned operating system.

[drez]

There's always a peanut gallery telling tech companies they "should have had x from the get go" or "this product is useless without x"; in the meantime, successful entrepreneurs talk in terms of releasing the "MVP" (minimum viable product) to establish a market presence and gauge customer feedback. I remember it happening to Apple when the iPhone came out ("this should have had an app store from the beginning, where's copy and paste" etc etc) - 5 years later, they're on their way to the most profitable year any company in history has had, largely on the back of that once maligned operating system.

Wise words.

Its just like agile development. Deploy and deploy often. Get the product out there and adjust fast. If you have the infrastructure that supports immediate change, then change quickly and adjust. I always liken it to how a missle fly's: Always off target, constantly correcting to head toward its target. That's how successful product deployments work, IMO.

Its not about being perfect from the get go. Its about striving for it constantly. Ever time you finish an iteration, you iterate again. And again. I hope this is the methodology that PH is putting into place so that they can quickly get things into the hands of the Dev's so that they can continue to refine their products in the store.

[grymmjack]

I'll be interested to see what you think, grymm. I was looking for that very thing and didn't quite find it in Pianoteq. Some EQ muffling helped, but nothing had that dark spooky vibe. Heh, for my admittedly quirky needs, I wish every piano plugin responded like the Radical Piano with the knob turned all the way to "subdued". Plus in Reason, adding a slow, subtle LFO to the pitch takes that sound to another level .

Just ordered pianoteq stage. Sounds really really good.

These were my favs:
D4 Intimate, D4 Worn Out, D4 Under Lid, K1 Ambience.

I can get where I need to be in dark emotional sounds with this pianoteq followed by a filter, and perhaps the Sonitex STX-1260, will beat it up nicely.

Really awesome, thanks for the recommendation.

The velocity wizard is really appreciated.

I understand Stage comes with D4, and K1, so I should be good

The Rhody sounded good too but already own Lounge Lizard for Rhodes

[grymmjack]

downloading the demo again anyway, to see how it all works rewired with ableton, and see if i can find what people love that i seem to have been missing.

There must be something about reason that can add something to my workflow if it's that popular, and i just haven't seen it yet.

Ableton with reason is awesome ttoz. Remember to use the external instrument device and not manual track routing (manual works it's just a bit more wiring and clutter).

As much as I love vst instruments and effects there isn't really anything to match the reason rack. The really easy GUIs are truly fun when in the zone.

I would say the main thing I miss is drag and drop external files and patches an sounds from explorer or finder right onto targets in the rack. The browser dialogs are good but clunky and drag and drop support where applicable would increase the speed of workflow quite a bit.

Thanks so much for the external instrument tip..WOW i thought logic and rewire was easy to set up but this is INSANE! i think live and reason, besides pdc fekked on both.. could otherwise be actually THE best songwriting and mixing duo on the fekkin planet! Shit, i might have to change my sig soon!



Fekk it.. i'll just use effects without latency!! which means i can never autotune LOL. Oh, Cher will be happy.

Glad it helped your workflow. It takes a while to get used to it but it's pretty great way to work. Sometimes I still break out of external instrument mode and do manual routing though for more complex setups of course.

I think it's as you say, live + reason are a great marriage.

[headquest]

Just ordered pianoteq stage. Sounds really really good.

These were my favs:
D4 Intimate, D4 Worn Out, D4 Under Lid, K1 Ambience.

I can get where I need to be in dark emotional sounds with this pianoteq followed by a filter, and perhaps the Sonitex STX-1260, will beat it up nicely.

Really awesome, thanks for the recommendation.

The velocity wizard is really appreciated.

I understand Stage comes with D4, and K1, so I should be good

The Rhody sounded good too but already own Lounge Lizard for Rhodes

Glad you like it, and it's never a problem to recommend pianoteq! Such a great instrument, and Stage is a real bargain as well.

I believe that Stage owners can also download some additional patches - log into your pianoteq account, visit the download tab, and check out what's there! I have the standard version of Pianoteq (mostly because Stage didn't exist when I first discovered pianoteq... I don't use the additional features so much). But like I say I think you canb probably download:

+ Bells & Carillons (which are worth having)
+ KIViR ptq file: this includes two really superb harpsichords and several earlier piano instruments and fortepianos. Old Erard, Bechstein, etc. Really good stuff! REALLY good!

Because they aren't sample based they will only take you a minute to download. Once you've done that all you have to do is drag and drop the ptq file directly onto the pianoteq interface and they get automatically installed. Superb

[headquest]

By the way, I studied harpsichord as a speciality while I was at the Royal College of Music, and I love those early keyboard instruments. From the virtual ones I have tried, these Pianoteq ones are the best VSTs I have come across...

You can hear some Baroque harpsichord music I recorded using Pianoteq on my Soundcloud *educational* page (which I keep separate from my main one) here:
http://soundcloud.com/keyquest-music-2

I've not come across any harpsichords at all for Reason, by the way. But I guess it's not really aimed at classical anoraks like me, LOL.

[puzzlefactory]

What do you mean? Why is there no guarantee of using the product in the future?

You buy from their shop and it installs directly from their server - there is not only no physical product (which is fair enough) but also no install file (less fair in my opinion) which means that if in the future the Company - or its server - goes down than you would be unable to install on your next computer, or reinstall on yours if you needed to for any reason (e.g. if you needed to uninstall Reason at any point).

Given the high overall cost of REs (currently the shop has more than $1,000 worth on sale) that's too big a gamble for me to take, so "I'm out".

This isn't strictly true.

Over on the Propellerheads user forum people have been experimenting and apparently the Rack extension files can be moved from one computer to another.

On a mac their location is,

Name of your HD -> Users -> your user name ->Library -> Application Support -> Propellerhead Software -> Rack Extensions.

On windows 7 the location is,

C:\Users\YOUR_NAME\AppData\Roaming\Propellerhead Software\RackExtensions.

So, with being able to copy the Re files to these locations (much like AU components), you should be able to copy your Re's, back them up and install everything onto a fresh computer (as long as you have a copy of the 6.5 installer) without having to go onto the internet at all after the first initial download, as long as you have your dongle with all the licenses on it.

There are a couple of bugs, the main one being that each time you update your license you have to upgrade your Re files meaning that you'll have to either make sure your License is up to date before you copy the files or make new copies of the files each time you update the license.

Anyway, my point is, it is possible to manage, use, store and install Re's that you have purchased (it doesn't work with the Try Re's) without having to rely on the Propellerheads server.

[headquest]

Thanks puzzlefactory - that's good news, although obviously not what Propellerhead hoped for :/

I wonder whether they will close this loophole.

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[puzzlefactory]

I should point out that i haven't actually tried this myself yet, so can't personally verify it. I'm just going by what i've read in a thread in the user forum of the Propellerhead website.

[puzzlefactory]

The LFO device may be a joke for you but I really like it.

PLEASE help me, no matter how many times i insert it this thing is the only plug in that won't auto connect.

how the hell do i use it?
do i just take as ingle cv out into a cv in of the synth? is that *it* ?

Yes it never does auto connect and yes, what you do is connect the CV output of the LFO to the CV input of whatever parameter from another device you want to modulate.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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