Just downloaded Reason 6.5 plus a couple of RE's from the shop...

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[eXode]

The LFO device may be a joke for you but I really like it.

PLEASE help me, no matter how many times i insert it this thing is the only plug in that won't auto connect.

how the hell do i use it?
do i just take as ingle cv out into a cv in of the synth? is that *it* ?

I admit that the Pulsar is a bit confusing. Because it's primarily use is intended for modulation it doesn't connect anything. So if you want to i.e. modulate Filter Freq on another synth you have to connect CV for it.

If you want to use it as a synth you need to actually create a mix device, route it's summed audio output to the L input of mix device. THEN you have to turn the KBD knob on the far right to max CW. finally you have to route the envelopes to LFO1 and LFO2 level (set to positive 60~ %).

Or hang on tight... :)

[eXode]

For me that just looks like way too risky an investment.

+1

Love the idea with Re but I cannot commit to a permanent investment in Re. That is too much to ask for a format that has only just launched especially after seeing what happened to Record as a product. :scared: :shrug:

What DID happen to record.. i was wondering about that... seriously!! was it a failure? or...

just they decided to integrate it for the benefit of everyone? or....


??

Yes, props thought that it was a bad decision to keep two products that was still integrated as one but you had to install two separate. And the fact that Reason is a stronger brand.

I think it was the right decision though. Reason and Reason Essentials makes much more sense to me. Reason+Record Duo is what Reason should have been and Reason Essentials is what just Record should have been.

[eXode]

PLEASE help me, no matter how many times i insert it this thing is the only plug in that won't auto connect.

how the hell do i use it?
do i just take as ingle cv out into a cv in of the synth? is that *it* ?

Also, if you browse after instruments in the browser and click "Rack Extension" and then go on to choose Pulsar there are a bunch of Combinator presets there both using Pulsar for modulation AND as monosynth. I'd recommend you to have look there! :)

[simesf]

It may not matter much to many of the hardcore Reason users because they are committed to it but a change of mind and a financial cushion, not just on the initial investment like a non transferable license as in FL etc. which is minimal compared to a ever growing stack of" RE Esclusive Use" plugins investment, is not available. Period.

Minimal? what about all the FL optional extras? they will also be with you FOREVER...

not only that, at least reason is transferrable.

I will stake a bet right here right now that the PROPS are listening and KNOW people won't stand for it and KNOW that their potential sales will be hit hard as many will be too scared to invest in RE's and they WILL do something about it.

I predict 60 days max.

If it's 'reasonably' straightforward to port a vst to the RE format (as some developers have stated) I would assume it's as straightforward to do take an RE and make it vst.

It may not be workable to offer crossgrades in a closed shop environment that deals with (you hope) dozens of developers. Imagine having hundreds/thousands of crossgrade requests every day that you have to verify with all the vst/re developers who may or may not be still in business and you get the blame if there's a cock up anywhere down the line. It'd be like herding cats while not knowing which are still alive. If there's an easy way to manage that maybe we can discuss/invent one here and Props can read it here, adopt it and thank all the kind, supportive people over at kvr.

But, I imagine it would be a lot easier for a company with limited manpower to auto send a message and a id code to the developers once an RE of theirs has been sold so they could offer a crossgrade from re to other formats.

As an aside, those 2 re's I bought in the original post are in a few combinators ready for recall and I'm having a complete blast with them. I'm really looking forward to seeing what gets onto the shop.

[whyterabbyt]

If it's 'reasonably' straightforward to port a vst to the RE format (as some developers have stated) I would assume it's as straightforward to do take an RE and make it vst.

The RE-build process has been described by Anasou here as something which basically sounds like 'the developer delivers the DSP code and the graphics assets to PH, who actually test/build the RE'.

That last part means that since we do the framework, we can update the surrounding things even without the Rack Extension itself needing an update - we have the graphics and DSP. In practice this means that developers never need to worry about 32/64/128(!) bit, new OS versions or anything like that. They send us one RE and that's compatible with all support versions of Windows and Mac right now and in the future. When Reason runs on a system, so will all Rack Extensions ever made.

From the description I assume theres also some 'configuration' information used to generate 'glue' code for hooking the UI up etc. Its PH hope to guarantee forward-compatibility.

If that is the case, then no, its possibly not as straightforward building a VST from the RE unless you have a similar-ish 'build system and code framework which works from the same sort of configuration info... if not, then a lot of your non-DSP code maybe has to be done anew; I suspect anything dealing with the UI, with parameters, with automation.

[christianmusicmaker]

For me that just looks like way too risky an investment.

+1

Love the idea with Re but I cannot commit to a permanent investment in Re. That is too much to ask for a format that has only just launched especially after seeing what happened to Record as a product.

What DID happen to record.. i was wondering about that... seriously!! was it a failure? or...

just they decided to integrate it for the benefit of everyone? or....


??

Props clearly felt it did not sell enough units to let it survive as a product.

To pull a product that had a huge amount of hype so quickly suggests from a business perspective it was simply not selling enough units to justify it's development time. Quite a surprise for me as Props have a pretty rock solid record (no pun intended) AFAICT for product development and consistency. Props own customer base it appears were not buying enough of Record either. I am quite staggered by that.

But if a product fails that badly they have to cut their losses I guess. eXode is right...Reason is a stronger brand and in hindsight Props would have just rolled Record into Reason 5 instead (like we were saying on KVR all along back then!)

Clearly there is a period of huge buzz around Propellerheads announcements but...12 - 24 months will give a more stark illustration of the success or failure of Re IMO. Hopefully it will improve as a plugin format and not go the way of Record.

[headquest]

What DID happen to record.. i was wondering about that... seriously!! was it a failure? or...

just they decided to integrate it for the benefit of everyone? or....

??

For a bit of light relief in an otherwise heavy thread, here is a SPOOF play that speculates the story in the style of South Park!

Important Disclaimer: Please not that this play is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to the truth is merely coincidental and unintentional. Thank you.

*****************************************

The Record Story.

Scene 1 - big press conference, standing room only

Maybe you noticed that we didn't bring out anything new or revolutionary for nearly a decade, and wondered what we were up to. So here it is.

We took a long hard look at the music software industry and we noticed a few things. First of all we noticed that every other vendor on the planet makes sh*t that doesn't work properly. But we also noticed that every single clever electronic musician loves Reason. They all use it. Did I mention: it just works!! But still there is this other music software available, stuff that is buggy, unstable, crashes, and isn't made by Propellerhead. So we asked: why is this? And we noticed that there are other types of musicians out there buying it - people who are not into electronic music. We call them: "guitarists". And sometimes we call them: "singers". And sometimes we call them: "toothbrush players".

These guitarists, singers and toothbrush players have a big problem, because Reason will not record their playing. Inspiration strikes while they are on the can - but they have nothing to show for it. And they don't want to play around with complicated things that they don't understand, such as keyboards, samplers and spider splitters. So instead they have to use other rubbish to record their songs. Stuff that crashes your whole computer as soon as you load a single instance of any VST. Did I mention before that Reason just works? And anyway, none of them wants to use super-complex software like Garageband. But we have not yet catered for these musicians, so they are stuck with money in their wallets and nothing to spend it on apart from booze and cigarettes.

So we have asked ourselves, how can we make new, over-priced software that gives these tooth brush people "audio recording done right"? And we have the answer. Ignore all the other rubbish on the market completely and make something new. It's called "Record". We like this name, because it's so simple that even guitarists will be able to understand what it does just by reading the logo on the box.

With Record you can get down your morning tooth brush sessions without any hassle. Just press a button and it's done. You will never need to speak to a "smug recording engineer" ever again, because with Record we have included that enormous unfathomable mixing desk he has, with everything just a few mouse scrolls away. It's right there in the box! Even Reason users don't get that! (Unless they pay a whole load extra of course).

And so we offer these two products, each with its own distinct market. There's Reason for clever electronic musicians, and Record for guitarists and their low-life friends. For people that want both of course, we will give a small discount. And guess what - because they are really actually just one programme if we're honest about it - you can run both together and it's seamless! Clever, right? But we're not calling it a Reason upgrade, because guitar players don't understand Reason, and Reason users are too busy making new patches to clean their teeth.

[cue video of an out-of-work actress staring at a laptop screen with her eyes popping out of her head: "OMG, you people have been soooo busy!! OMG!!! You Rock!!!"]

*********************************************

Scene 2: 18 months later, a closed door meeting at HQ

Boss Man: You know you went on that jolly round-the-world trip making a video of Record users?

PR Man: You mean the "I'm a Record User!" video?

Boss Man: Yeah, the thing where the homeless guy records something on the steps of his hostel, and another hobo does something on the subway… and there's a chick in a hotel room or something…

PR Man: Uh, no they weren't homeless… and that's her apartment…

Boss Man: Whatever. We need to overdub it. Change it to "I'm a Reason user"…

PR Man: Uh, why?

Boss Man: because nobody understands what the f*ck Record does, even though we called it Record…

PR Man: But I went all out to make sure it was on the cover of every music technology magazine, and paid for loads of colour adds everywhere, magazine tutorials, internet advertising, trade show displays...

Boss Man: There's no accounting for stupidity, and nobody bought the thing. They all thought it was just an add on for Reason users. FFS just do it.

PR Man: Okay boss… but I'm not sure if Record is so good for doing the overdubs … the toolset is kinda limited…

Boss Man: Well then use whatever crap the actual professionals use then…

PR Man: Okay…

Boss Man: And think up a way to generate some more income fast… we can't take this kind of a hit… we're only a small company!!!!

PR Man: How are we going to make more money if we only sell Reason?

Boss Man: I dunno. Ask the tech guys. See if they can come up with a new plugin format or something… [exits, stage left]

*********************************************************

Scene 3: big press conference … a few days later

I bet you're all really excited about what we're going to announce today! You've all been staring at the huge countdown clock on our webpage, right??

Well, the good news is that Record has been a massive success! And we've been looking at how we can build on that success and take it forward to the next level. And what we noticed is this: all those people that like Record also like Reason! What they like best of all is the fact that it all looks like it's really one programme all along! It's really that seamless…

But we've also been listening to users. And one of the comments they made is that they didn't like the complex way they had to install the two programmes in the correct order, plus the dongle drivers and a bunch of stuff. So we've found a super clever way to solve that and improve the user experience even more than we previously thought possible.

That's right! Having originally made it as a separate piece of software entirely, and then found a way to make a super clever bridge between the two, we're going the whole hog and making it into one programme! And we're going to call it Reason! I bet you didn't see that coming! And I can tell you're all really excited!

Because it turns out that even toothbrush players can have a lot of fun watching all those curly cables dangling about in the rack, even if they have no clue what they do. And also we found that some of our Reason users who said they never wanted audio recording, and some of them who had paid big bucks for rubbish products that weren't made by Propellerhead and which crash unless you use Rewire - they want recording in Reason after all.

So now everyone can be happy. And we can cut our costs by putting the whole product, <cough> I mean both products rolled into one <cough>, in a single box. We'll even throw in a few prototypes for something new we're playing around with in our basement. And having spotted how much people love us in our forum, we think our users will want to buy this stuff again as soon as possible. Plus we can generate heaps of new sales!

Questions?

No, it doesn't support plugins. That's something we will never ever do….

The End.

********************************************

[christianmusicmaker]

Tell us how you really feel headquest. A few lines say far too little.

[headquest]

Tell us how you really feel headquest. A few lines say far too little.

[mrdr]

You could be a good inquisitor. So much venom

[myrna]

Record was kind of an answer: "You asked for audio recording in Reason, we give you Record".
RE is kind of an answer: "You asked for vst support in Reason, we give you RE".

Seems that Propellerhead misunderstand the requests: we just wanted vst support and audio tracks in Reason, LOL.

[FaX]

What DID happen to record.. i was wondering about that... seriously!! was it a failure? or...

just they decided to integrate it for the benefit of everyone? or....

??

For a bit of light relief in an otherwise heavy thread, here is a SPOOF play that speculates the story in the style of South Park!

Important Disclaimer: Please not that this play is a work of fiction. Any resemblance to the truth is merely coincidental and unintentional. Thank you.

*****************************************

The Record Story.

Scene 1 - big press conference, standing room only

Maybe you noticed that we didn't bring out anything new or revolutionary for nearly a decade, and wondered what we were up to. So here it is.

We took a long hard look at the music software industry and we noticed a few things. First of all we noticed that every other vendor on the planet makes sh*t that doesn't work properly. But we also noticed that every single clever electronic musician loves Reason. They all use it. Did I mention: it just works!! But still there is this other music software available, stuff that is buggy, unstable, crashes, and isn't made by Propellerhead. So we asked: why is this? And we noticed that there are other types of musicians out there buying it - people who are not into electronic music. We call them: "guitarists". And sometimes we call them: "singers". And sometimes we call them: "toothbrush players".

These guitarists, singers and toothbrush players have a big problem, because Reason will not record their playing. Inspiration strikes while they are on the can - but they have nothing to show for it. And they don't want to play around with complicated things that they don't understand, such as keyboards, samplers and spider splitters. So instead they have to use other rubbish to record their songs. Stuff that crashes your whole computer as soon as you load a single instance of any VST. Did I mention before that Reason just works? And anyway, none of them wants to use super-complex software like Garageband. But we have not yet catered for these musicians, so they are stuck with money in their wallets and nothing to spend it on apart from booze and cigarettes.

So we have asked ourselves, how can we make new, over-priced software that gives these tooth brush people "audio recording done right"? And we have the answer. Ignore all the other rubbish on the market completely and make something new. It's called "Record". We like this name, because it's so simple that even guitarists will be able to understand what it does just by reading the logo on the box.

With Record you can get down your morning tooth brush sessions without any hassle. Just press a button and it's done. You will never need to speak to a "smug recording engineer" ever again, because with Record we have included that enormous unfathomable mixing desk he has, with everything just a few mouse scrolls away. It's right there in the box! Even Reason users don't get that! (Unless they pay a whole load extra of course).

And so we offer these two products, each with its own distinct market. There's Reason for clever electronic musicians, and Record for guitarists and their low-life friends. For people that want both of course, we will give a small discount. And guess what - because they are really actually just one programme if we're honest about it - you can run both together and it's seamless! Clever, right? But we're not calling it a Reason upgrade, because guitar players don't understand Reason, and Reason users are too busy making new patches to clean their teeth.

[cue video of an out-of-work actress staring at a laptop screen with her eyes popping out of her head: "OMG, you people have been soooo busy!! OMG!!! You Rock!!!"]

*********************************************

Scene 2: 18 months later, a closed door meeting at HQ

Boss Man: You know you went on that jolly round-the-world trip making a video of Record users?

PR Man: You mean the "I'm a Record User!" video?

Boss Man: Yeah, the thing where the homeless guy records something on the steps of his hostel, and another hobo does something on the subway… and there's a chick in a hotel room or something…

PR Man: Uh, no they weren't homeless… and that's her apartment…

Boss Man: Whatever. We need to overdub it. Change it to "I'm a Reason user"…

PR Man: Uh, why?

Boss Man: because nobody understands what the f*ck Record does, even though we called it Record…

PR Man: But I went all out to make sure it was on the cover of every music technology magazine, and paid for loads of colour adds everywhere, magazine tutorials, internet advertising, trade show displays...

Boss Man: There's no accounting for stupidity, and nobody bought the thing. They all thought it was just an add on for Reason users. FFS just do it.

PR Man: Okay boss… but I'm not sure if Record is so good for doing the overdubs … the toolset is kinda limited…

Boss Man: Well then use whatever crap the actual professionals use then…

PR Man: Okay…

Boss Man: And think up a way to generate some more income fast… we can't take this kind of a hit… we're only a small company!!!!

PR Man: How are we going to make more money if we only sell Reason?

Boss Man: I dunno. Ask the tech guys. See if they can come up with a new plugin format or something… [exits, stage left]

*********************************************************

Scene 3: big press conference … a few days later

I bet you're all really excited about what we're going to announce today! You've all been staring at the huge countdown clock on our webpage, right??

Well, the good news is that Record has been a massive success! And we've been looking at how we can build on that success and take it forward to the next level. And what we noticed is this: all those people that like Record also like Reason! What they like best of all is the fact that it all looks like it's really one programme all along! It's really that seamless…

But we've also been listening to users. And one of the comments they made is that they didn't like the complex way they had to install the two programmes in the correct order, plus the dongle drivers and a bunch of stuff. So we've found a super clever way to solve that and improve the user experience even more than we previously thought possible.

That's right! Having originally made it as a separate piece of software entirely, and then found a way to make a super clever bridge between the two, we're going the whole hog and making it into one programme! And we're going to call it Reason! I bet you didn't see that coming! And I can tell you're all really excited!

Because it turns out that even toothbrush players can have a lot of fun watching all those curly cables dangling about in the rack, even if they have no clue what they do. And also we found that some of our Reason users who said they never wanted audio recording, and some of them who had paid big bucks for rubbish products that weren't made by Propellerhead and which crash unless you use Rewire - they want recording in Reason after all.

So now everyone can be happy. And we can cut our costs by putting the whole product, <cough> I mean both products rolled into one <cough>, in a single box. We'll even throw in a few prototypes for something new we're playing around with in our basement. And having spotted how much people love us in our forum, we think our users will want to buy this stuff again as soon as possible. Plus we can generate heaps of new sales!

Questions?

No, it doesn't support plugins. That's something we will never ever do….

The End.

********************************************

You need to get a life

[headquest]

You need to get a life

Yeah, having a very "slow day"!

I was thinking of this as a sort of Robot Chicken DAW Wars joke, but got a bit carried away,

I do think we need to see the lighter side though - most of the stuff in that spoof sketch is intended as cutting humour about us cynics and conspiracy theorists, not so much Propellerhead. I was thinking, what happens if you put together all the crazy theories and make a parody sketch... anyway never mind. Move along, people!

[sellyoursoul]

Record was kind of an answer: "You asked for audio recording in Reason, we give you Record".
RE is kind of an answer: "You asked for vst support in Reason, we give you RE".

Seems that Propellerhead misunderstand the requests: we just wanted vst support and audio tracks in Reason, LOL.

Every daw on the market records audio. Reason gets it in 2010. Every daw on the market supports vst plugins. Reason gets plugins in 2012, of a proprietary format, while the software world is moving more and more toward open source. Yet, Reason is one of the best selling music making applications available. Go figure. There are better sounding synths out there, better sounding effects, and better sound banks, than what is available in Reason. I think it boils down to polish and stability, even though much core functionality is missing, still in 2012.