Just downloaded Reason 6.5 plus a couple of RE's from the shop...

[headquest]

I'm sure they will figure out the way to deal with it - sales is an area that Propellerhead plainly has right

But boxed upgrades used to be a big seller for retailers too, and PH pulled the plug right near the last moment with their PWYW announcement. That really caused a flurry with the retail outlets, and is one reason it was a time-limited offer.

But coming right after that tension, the RE store and 6.5 download hits the ground at a sensitive time, that's all.

[liquidsound]

And they still sell a shedload of product.

No financial figures available anywhere I think.

*facepalm

It was already mentioned earlier in this or the other main thread about RE's regarding the number of units sold with the 6 upgrade or pay-what-you-want which was, indeed, "a shedload". This information was mentioned in the RE video announcement so I'm not going to debate that with you.

The hidden power of marketing... It works!

So now you are saying that they are lying?

Shedload has no numerical value, just a point of view.
If you say X*2.5 then you need to define X.
If the stock market would have this kind of reports it would crash in a NY Minute.
This kind of Balance Sheet report is good for keeping the initial momentum in a critical initial marketing launch. Who cares if it's really real, right?

To Conceal in not technically Lying....

[Robert Randolph]

Pay what you want only applied to people who had both reason and record. It also only applies to people who go and actively search for it.

There is/was a normal upgrade path from either one to Reason 6. Every store I know of that carries reason, also has this upgrade.

[myrna]

The fact Reason never crashes can even be something to be proud of as a user, but remains a useless pride for me, since i cannot play my vst instruments in it. Is it like feeling invincible in a bunker? No, thanks. REs: Predator, the Korgs etc. are very nice, but almost 10 years old, indeed. You can play them on a W98 system or say on a crappy ipad... without crashes, too. Nothing new (apart the price). All these "wow" for what then? I don't understand, really...

now you are just being silly. Predator almost 10 years old? are you all there?

Through this entire topic all you have done, ALL you have done in every message is state that you want vst in reason.

The way i see it is that you obviously LOVE reason then or you wouldn't care so much..

But i have something to tell you..

you can yell and scream till you are blue in the face, but vst support will never be added in reason. I guarantee it.

so deal, or move on.

Why silly? I've just noticed all the REs are old vsts (e.g. Predator: 2007; Polysix: 2004) and/or light effects which could run on my crappy ipad, too. Sorry, but that is not what I mean for "plugin alternative". Then, if you want to believe it, ok. Peace.

[drez]

And they still sell a shedload of product.

No financial figures available anywhere I think.

*facepalm

It was already mentioned earlier in this or the other main thread about RE's regarding the number of units sold with the 6 upgrade or pay-what-you-want which was, indeed, "a shedload". This information was mentioned in the RE video announcement so I'm not going to debate that with you.

The hidden power of marketing... It works!

So now you are saying that they are lying?

Shedload has no numerical value, just a point of view.
If you say X*2.5 then you need to define X.
If the stock market would have this kind of reports it would crash in a NY Minute.
This kind of Balance Sheet report is good for keeping the initial momentum in a critical initial marketing launch. Who cares if it's really real, right?

To Conceal in not technically Lying....

They are a "private"company, not a "public' company. They have absolutely no reason to give out X. Why would you hand out your sales numbers to the competition if you weren't required by law? I don't understand your thinking here.

The fact that they are selling 2.5 times what they were, they don't care if they sell it in a box or not, and they are selling items in a brand new online shop with some pretty swanky Dev's as early adopters...yeah, I'm going with "a shedload".

[saturdaysaint]

I'm sure they will figure out the way to deal with it - sales is an area that Propellerhead plainly has right

But boxed upgrades used to be a big seller for retailers too, and PH pulled the plug right near the last moment with their PWYW announcement. That really caused a flurry with the retail outlets, and is one reason it was a time-limited offer.

But coming right after that tension, the RE store and 6.5 download hits the ground at a sensitive time, that's all.

Wow, very convincing HQ. But pray tell, why have you spent so many words arguing against a platform your insider information told you was in trouble? Surely you could have saved us some time and energy discussing the platform if you told us that in the beginning?

[sellyoursoul]

I bought the upgrade 2 month's ago from reason 3, and started to contemplate selling the whole bundle. I was a bit sore at first because of the latency issues and not being able to download without internet connection. However in retrospect, I got the upgrade purely for the kong drum designer and ssl mixer because its as good as the duende native ssl plugins. Ive been reading about people mixing down into stems and porting them directly into reason just to sum them through the mixer. I had an offer from Kmonkey who wanted a trade but we couldnt agree on it so in the end I changed my mind. I think Ill keep reason 6.5 as is for now, because when all is said and done its worth the money with or without the rack extensions anyday.

Too many people are fooling themselves with the SSL mixer. The mixer itself has no sound. That leaves a channel eq, channel comp, and bus comp. I haven't heard anything special about the channel eq and comp, nothing that I couldn't do with freeware. The bus comp is pretty good, but I'm willing to bet that I could do much the same with Reacomp or Thrillseeker set for clean. If anyone can prove otherwise, I'm all ears.

Mmmm...the ssl in reason is maybe a a little overhyped? But by god it's better than the old one that reason 5 and lower had

You're talking of the 14/2 mixer. That thing is borderline terrible for a mixer. Tiny little knobs, no way to make accurate adjustments, very skimpy routing, and the eq is junk. It is fine for summing a few devices, but not very useful for much else. The SSL has it's own woes, though. It eats up a lot of screen space, and the 3 tier thing is annoying on a laptop screen. But, the routing is good, and the eq and comps are very usable.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[headquest]

Pay what you want only applied to people who had both reason and record. It also only applies to people who go and actively search for it. There is/was a normal upgrade path from either one to Reason 6. Every store I know of that carries reason, also has this upgrade.

There was always going to be a download option for Duo owners, and this was a significant sector of the overall upgrade market.
PWYW was advertised to all qualifying customers via emails, not just people "in the know". It put a dent in the boxed upgrade market. But it was time-limited specifically so that now the only upgrade path to R6 is the boxes that the stores are carrying. So a compromise deal was struck, after some discussion

[headquest]

Wow, very convincing HQ. But pray tell, why have you spent so many words arguing against a platform your insider information told you was in trouble? Surely you could have saved us some time and energy discussing the platform if you told us that in the beginning?

It's not in trouble. They've found an even more lucrative path. Read more carefully

[liquidsound]

No financial figures available anywhere I think.

*facepalm

It was already mentioned earlier in this or the other main thread about RE's regarding the number of units sold with the 6 upgrade or pay-what-you-want which was, indeed, "a shedload". This information was mentioned in the RE video announcement so I'm not going to debate that with you.

The hidden power of marketing... It works!

So now you are saying that they are lying?

Shedload has no numerical value, just a point of view.
If you say X*2.5 then you need to define X.
If the stock market would have this kind of reports it would crash in a NY Minute.
This kind of Balance Sheet report is good for keeping the initial momentum in a critical initial marketing launch. Who cares if it's really real, right?

To Conceal in not technically Lying....

They are a "private"company, not a "public' company. They have absolutely no reason to give out X. Why would you hand out your sales numbers to the competition if you weren't required by law? I don't understand your thinking here.

The fact that they are selling 2.5 times what they were, they don't care if they sell it in a box or not, and they are selling items in a brand new online shop with some pretty swanky Dev's as early adopters...yeah, I'm going with "a shedload".

Whatever makes you happy.
Fine here.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[myrna]

So it's ONLY 5 years old? Ok, Not exactly "brand new", but we know... Seems everything done in Reason is "spectacular": "UNDO" function docet. Maybe in 2020 we'll see the fantastic rock solid "MIDI-OUT" function in Reason, too...

[drez]

So it's ONLY 5 years old? Ok, Not exactly "brand new", but we know... Seems everything done in Reason is "spectacular": "UNDO" function docet. Maybe in 2020 we'll see the fantastic rock solid "MIDI-OUT" function in Reason, too...

37signals is a company that supports an amazingly large amount of customers for a small company. They've got over a million customers but only 5 support staff. They are highly successful. Why?

They do what they do best. They make products how they want to make them. Many times customers are asking them for way cool complex features. They politely tell them that if they need additional functionality they might want to try a different product. They don't promise features that they don't think make sense for them as a company or their customer base. They don't mind losing customers to "complex" software because they know there are plenty of people that want THEIR software.

PH are in the same boat. They know their sweet spot and will move at their own pace building software how they see fit. It has served them well since Rebirth. I imagine it will continue to work well for them because they know what they're doing and have been proving it for years. This isn't fanboyism. It's just the way it is. They haven't had MIDI OUT EVER. And here they are. Still selling product. If that was going to kill them off, it would have years ago.

People buy Reason for reasons that the props are intimately familiar with. That's why they do what they do. Because they can. And there's nothing wrong with that.