One-Synth-Challenge 41: Minimogue - Submissions and gossip

[cactoos_dahoo]

Hi guys.
It will be small off-topic, but I'd like to ask about few points from rules section :

- Any type of modulation effect like chorus, phaser, flanger etc is not allowed.

and then...

- Any kind of effect already IN the synth can of course be used freely.

1. Can I use chorus from Minimogue or not ?

- DAW effects are allowed[..]

2. ... but not chorus and phaser as I presume ?

3. I don't know "rules history", however what the reason is that fxs such a phaser or flanger are banned (I am just curious) ?

- Any effect that transform the sounds to make them unrecognizable as being from the synth is not allowed.

4. Don't you think this specific part is... so much anty-creative ? I thought that was one of the aims of this competition - to produce/create music with amazing sounds.

5. Let say i'd like to use dbGlitch (which is freeware) just because it has great and exceptional filters and overdrive modules imo, but not only as you probably know... It has really nice resolution degrader, reverser, retrigger etc... Can i use it until i will keep away from modules based on pitch-shifting algorithms (modulator, tapestop or stretcher) ?

Don't get me wrong and please do not take this as another "brassy opinion" - i'm just curious.

regards,
cts

[bzur]

Hi guys.
It will be small off-topic, but I'd like to ask about few points from rules section :

- Any type of modulation effect like chorus, phaser, flanger etc is not allowed.

and then...

- Any kind of effect already IN the synth can of course be used freely.

1. Can I use chorus from Minimogue or not ?

- DAW effects are allowed[..]

2. ... but not chorus and phaser as I presume ?

3. I don't know "rules history", however what the reason is that fxs such a phaser or flanger are banned (I am just curious) ?

- Any effect that transform the sounds to make them unrecognizable as being from the synth is not allowed.

4. Don't you think this specific part is... so much anty-creative ? I thought that was one of the aims of this competition - to produce/create music with amazing sounds.

5. Let say i'd like to use dbGlitch (which is freeware) just because it has great and exceptional filters and overdrive modules imo, but not only as you probably know... It has really nice resolution degrader, reverser, retrigger etc... Can i use it until i will keep away from modules based on pitch-shifting algorithms (modulator, tapestop or stretcher) ?

Don't get me wrong and please do not take this as another "brassy opinion" - i'm just curious.

regards,
cts

1) Yes, you should We are encouraged to use built-in synth effects
2) Yes, you are true, as both chorus and phaser change the character of the sound from outside the synth...
3) ... in a unrecognizable way!
4) Maybe yes, but the challenge is also to use only the features the synth has.
5) Some rules have been relaxed (some amount of modulation os delays is welcome)... but I think dbGlitch is a kind of minefield if you want to fullfill the rules, unless you avoid using resolution degrader, reverser - which could change the sound in a strong way - and the other dbGlich algorithms you've mentioned.

Anyway, I tend to follow the rules in a very strict way: ask V'ger - or simply wait for his reply - for the "official" point of view.

[photonic]

@Photonic and all Cubasers: apparently the issues I've experienced with Cubase 4 have been solved with the last Minimogue VA version... maybe it's worth a last try.

OK, Bzur. You convinced me to the fourth try with Minimogue.
What else should I do the next week

Photonic

[bzur]

OK, Bzur. You convinced me to the fourth try with Minimogue.

After that, I wouldn't try to convince you anymore. It's a promise!

[SKYZONE]

I made a remix of vangelis pulsar don't know if that is allowed

Made it with 11 instances of minimogueVA



If it is okee i trow it into the ring


Fabrizio

[z.prime]

... a remix of vangelis pulsar don't know if that is allowed ...

Remixes or recreations of other songs are allowed, but per the rules:

• * Covers are allowed as long as the original material is not copyrighted, the author mentioned and song file name and tag show it's a cover. (like this: Artist - YourTitle (cover))

I don't know for sure about Vangelis, but I'd guess his works are copyrighted.

[z.prime]

I don't know for sure about Vangelis, but I'd guess his works are copyrighted.

This piqued my curiosity; there's a searchable U.S. Copyright database and it looks like Vangelis - Pulstar is copyrighted.

[V'ger]

Yes I think the author has to be dead for 75 years before his work can be used freely which means the earliest you can look for remix material is from the 20's and 30's although there was some cool stuff at that time. But do look at AdagioCm's Moogxygene for how to skirt the copyright rule successfully..

@Cactoos: It's like Bzur says. The whole point is to squeeze as much from the synth as possible and the modulation effects were outlawed as they can take any old sound and transform it beyond recognition which isn't right when the synth should be in focus and heard.

But as DAW automation is allowed (instead of recording synth knob movement by hand only), you can anyway go more nuts with sounds than you could do with chorus etc so it's a slight paradox I know.

dbGlitch is fine to use as long as the sampling feature like reversing, pitching etc is not enabled as that would create something the synth couldn't do on its own. Stuttering where volume is cut is fine as that is just superfast mixing etc, was just thinking to get into that myself. The best would be to use the synth volume knob, so use your DAWs automation or midi plugins like MidiMod! or MidiSeq! for example. Here's a thread listing some MIDI LFO and envelope generators.

[IrionDaRonin]

dbGlitch is fine to use as long as the sampling feature like reversing, pitching etc is not enabled as that would create something the synth couldn't do on its own. Stuttering where volume is cut is fine as that is just superfast mixing etc, was just thinking to get into that myself. The best would be to use the synth volume knob, so use your DAWs automation or midi plugins like MidiMod! or MidiSeq! for example. Here's a thread listing some MIDI LFO and envelope generators.

You just have open my Pandora's box lol.
In fact i was about to use the stutering thingy in this track, which is a midi retrigger for the parts/channels that you want.
Anyway Dblue Glitch is not a Midi retrigger, it uses the buffer to make such effects (in an amazing way to be honest)

I will try to not use it, i will take a look on these MidiMod and MidiSeq, if i can't make them work, i will use the yellow stutterer (Retrigger) from Glitch.
Is the only thing i wanted to use, but i didn't have balls to ask before, hehe.
I love Glitch

Anyway, there are other nice freebies for stuttering and gatering such
MG Triggergate, Kirnu, Supatrigga, Stormgate, Probagate, LSGate and TimeCore.

Have a good day

[adagiocm]

I don't know for sure about Vangelis, but I'd guess his works are copyrighted.

This piqued my curiosity; there's a searchable U.S. Copyright database and it looks like Vangelis - Pulstar is copyrighted.

At least according to the US law, a work doesn't even have to be registered for copyright; the rights are automatic.

See http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/ for a good summary.

For works-for-hire, as most music published through a major label tends to be, the duration is 95 years from publication or 120 years from creation, whichever is shorter.

I tend to think this is too far in the extreme, but it is what it is.

[adagiocm]

But as DAW automation is allowed (instead of recording synth knob movement by hand only), you can anyway go more nuts with sounds than you could do with chorus etc so it's a slight paradox I know.

I've recently discovered that by setting up a few notch filters in a parametric eq (4 to 6 filter bands), and sweeping them in lockstep with a sine wave LFO (which can be done by DAW automation), I get something that approximates the phaser sound. Is this allowed, or is it pushing it too far?

[IrionDaRonin]

Nothing to say

Have a good day

[z.prime]

... setting up a few notch filters in a parametric eq (4 to 6 filter bands), and sweeping them in lockstep with a sine wave LFO (which can be done by DAW automation), I get something that approximates the phaser sound. Is this allowed, or is it pushing it too far?

What you are saying about phasing, is using an external FX which is not the synth, this is an external way to make that phaser. So this wouldn't be allowed.

I was thinking the opposite in this case, since DAW automation and EQ are allowed. Phasing and other sorts of modulation effects can alter/enhance the sound in some ways that wouldn't necessarily be possible with just DAW automation & EQ, whereas sticking to EQ-type effects you're effectively just boosting and cutting frequency ranges being produced by the synth. There are some dramatic sonic alterations to be had with EQ-type effects, though...

[IrionDaRonin]

Nothing more to say.

Have a good day

[___loser]

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