GSi VB3 question

[AdmiralQuality]

Yeah I think it's a setting on the motif that's the issue I'd have to check again on Sunday.

and yeah yeah the Akai LPD8 so it's going to conflict? the way I was thinking was it would just add it's self as another usb-to midi? and I could map it to the channel that the keyboard is on.

Not conflict per se. But it's a MIDI controller, sending MIDI on a particular channel. As is your Motif. In your host software, you most likely select a (single) MIDI interface/controller to drive an instrument plug-in from. But you have two controllers. So you need to MERGE two MIDI streams into one. Depending on your host, this could be easy or impossible.

The thing is using this in a church gospel setting playing fast and having like 5 different players trying to move the mod wheel to the center and trying to get used to that might be an issue and more so if I have other players playing during services. that's where I thought about the Akai pad

It's the same center, regardless of how many players play it. And by default it seems to be divided into thirds, so center is hard to miss. (Also note that the stopped position sounds different every time, depending on what position the horns and drum end up stopped in in the Leslie simulation. You might want to turn the Rotary sim off entirely for non-Leslie sounds.)

This is my old fake-organ rig. Switch (damper) pedal is Leslie slow/fast (or off/fast, which I actually prefer.) Yamaha FC-7 volume pedal is the swell. Even after modifying stands to get the two keyboards as close as possible, I couldn't get the lower manual close enough to the upper to match the dimensions of a real Hammond, so it's a few inches too low.



By the way, doesn't the Motif have semi-weighted keys? Definitely not good for organ. The DX-7 I'm using for a lower manual here felt pretty close to the Korg CX-3 I had on top. I also used an Ensoniq ESQ-1 which had a similar feel plus a flat top, allowing me to jam it as close as possible under the top manual.

I wouldn't take this rig into church though for fear of offending God with the tangle of snakelike patch cables. Also, it's got no backboard like a C3 so the congregation can see up my skirt.

[davidka]

Geez that gear looks awesome, Mike

[MikeCL]

Yeah I think it's a setting on the motif that's the issue I'd have to check again on Sunday.

and yeah yeah the Akai LPD8 so it's going to conflict? the way I was thinking was it would just add it's self as another usb-to midi? and I could map it to the channel that the keyboard is on.

Not conflict per se. But it's a MIDI controller, sending MIDI on a particular channel. As is your Motif. In your host software, you most likely select a (single) MIDI interface/controller to drive an instrument plug-in from. But you have two controllers. So you need to MERGE two MIDI streams into one. Depending on your host, this could be easy or impossible.

The thing is using this in a church gospel setting playing fast and having like 5 different players trying to move the mod wheel to the center and trying to get used to that might be an issue and more so if I have other players playing during services. that's where I thought about the Akai pad

It's the same center, regardless of how many players play it. And by default it seems to be divided into thirds, so center is hard to miss. (Also note that the stopped position sounds different every time, depending on what position the horns and drum end up stopped in in the Leslie simulation. You might want to turn the Rotary sim off entirely for non-Leslie sounds.)

This is my old fake-organ rig. Switch (damper) pedal is Leslie slow/fast (or off/fast, which I actually prefer.) Yamaha FC-7 volume pedal is the swell. Even after modifying stands to get the two keyboards as close as possible, I couldn't get the lower manual close enough to the upper to match the dimensions of a real Hammond, so it's a few inches too low.



By the way, doesn't the Motif have semi-weighted keys? Definitely not good for organ. The DX-7 I'm using for a lower manual here felt pretty close to the Korg CX-3 I had on top. I also used an Ensoniq ESQ-1 which had a similar feel plus a flat top, allowing me to jam it as close as possible under the top manual.

I wouldn't take this rig into church though for fear of offending God with the tangle of snakelike patch cables. Also, it's got no backboard like a C3 so the congregation can see up my skirt.

I'm using forte I have to check to see if I have that option, as far as the mod wheel and the stopped Leslie I'm used to that I have a Leslie 771 I have connected to a B3 (well it's in storage now) it's not really a big of a deal but I know for a fact when that switch stopped working right the one that mounts under the manual it only worked on fast so it was painful lol. I think the keys might be semi-weighted they feel lighter then my cheap yamaha keyboard at home but not like the real B3.. I got tired of them breaking keys on the B3.. I don't know how one could play so hard to snap the key right in half.. I still have one sitting on my desk as a reminder.

And yeah the keyboard layering I'm not sure if the sand I have has a 2nd tier stand.. it's a on stage keyboard stand.. I was looking at getting the M-audio to go on top.

btw how do you like the FC7 pedal? is it sold enough that it wont slide on a wooden stage floor?

[AdmiralQuality]

Geez that gear looks awesome, Mike

It's all turned into to food and rent now, but hopefully I'll build another someday, just as soon as I dig myself out of this (quite literal) hole.

Maybe I can get my hands on a BX-3. Or one of the newer clonewheels, but it's gotta have all the controls in at least roughly the correct positions. So many products fail in this dept. Part of why I like the C/BX-3 so much.

[MikeCL]

You know I can't find anything saying the motif 6 has semi-weighted keys so I guess the answer is no.

[AdmiralQuality]

btw how do you like the FC7 pedal? is it sold enough that it wont slide on a wooden stage floor?

They're great, very smooth in both motion and signal. But also stiff enough that it stays in the position you leave it. Also has an angle adjustable between two positions. And if I remember correctly it has holes on the bottom that you could use to screw it down to a board with. But also large rubber feet, so lots of surface contact. It shouldn't skitter around.

[AdmiralQuality]

You know I can't find anything saying the motif 6 has semi-weighted keys so I guess the answer is no.

Maybe not then. I just assumed as a workstation it did.

I can't imagine someone snapping Hammond waterfall keys. That's quite the gliss technique! Aren't they solid wood?

But the thinner, plastic, "diving board" keys on most modern synths and controllers, I can see them snapping if played like a Hammond, easy.

[MikeCL]

You know I can't find anything saying the motif 6 has semi-weighted keys so I guess the answer is no.

Maybe not then. I just assumed as a workstation it did.

I can't imagine someone snapping Hammond waterfall keys. That's quite the gliss technique! Aren't they solid wood?

But the thinner, plastic, "diving board" keys on most modern synths and controllers, I can see them snapping if played like a Hammond, easy.

haha nope they are pretty hard plastic but light in feeling, I just hate the work to replace them which requires me raising one of the manuals.. I was pretty pissed because I put in a lot of work of making it look nice..

[AdmiralQuality]

You know I can't find anything saying the motif 6 has semi-weighted keys so I guess the answer is no.

Maybe not then. I just assumed as a workstation it did.

I can't imagine someone snapping Hammond waterfall keys. That's quite the gliss technique! Aren't they solid wood?

But the thinner, plastic, "diving board" keys on most modern synths and controllers, I can see them snapping if played like a Hammond, easy.

haha nope they are pretty hard plastic but light in feeling, I just hate the work to replace them which requires me raising one of the manuals.. I was pretty pissed because I put in a lot of work of making it look nice..

So pretty! If I had access to a real one I'd never mess with this software jive! (I just need a van and 4 huge guys to carry it for me. )

I'm surprised they're not wooden inside. I thought they were. They're probably not plastic as the instrument dates back to the 30s. Bakelite probably. And I guess they're in steel frames, which I assume run under the "plastic" part of the key as well?



Sorry for lecturing you on the preset manuals by the way. I just assumed from some of your questions that you didn't know how a real Hammond behaves. Guido really has done a great job with this sim, I can't recommend the product enough. (Leslie and amp effects could maybe be a bit better but the organ part is right-on!)

[MikeCL]

yeah I'm going to guess Bakelite as well the one I have is a '68 and the screw just screws into the backside of the key with the bracket between the two, and no harm done about the presets.

I think the Leslie sounds pretty good, after I replaced all the filter caps for the TWG it really brought out the key click in the B3 I went and re-calibrated it which took like 4 hours in a hot room. Sounds really sweet However the Leslie is a solid state so no nice warm overdrive sound.

I have an A100 too but it's in a much rougher looking shape

I still want to try this software if I can get it to work out like I hope then that's good stuff.. Once these 4 night services are over with then I can take a break, The funny thing is I was playing this afternoon with a stage monitor behind me and with the relay clicking in VB3 haha almost sounds like the real deal.

[AdmiralQuality]

yeah I'm going to guess Bakelite as well the one I have is a '68 and the screw just screws into the backside of the key with the bracket between the two, and no harm done about the presets.

I think the Leslie sounds pretty good, after I replaced all the filter caps for the TWG it really brought out the key click in the B3 I went and re-calibrated it which took like 4 hours in a hot room. Sounds really sweet However the Leslie is a solid state so no nice warm overdrive sound.

I have an A100 too but it's in a much rougher looking shape

I still want to try this software if I can get it to work out like I hope then that's good stuff.. Once these 4 night services are over with then I can take a break, The funny thing is I was playing this afternoon with a stage monitor behind me and with the relay clicking in VB3 haha almost sounds like the real deal.

VB3 does one other thing that just about nobody else got right. It has a variable key-click effect, and correctly, it responds to the INVERSE of the key velocity. (Slower velocity means the 9 key contacts take longer to all close, thus a bigger "click" than a key that's been hit fast.) Lots of options for controlling the amount of this, as well as turning the effect off completely if you don't like it.

[MikeCL]

Yeah this is the best keyclick I've seen, also looking at the pdf manual for the motif.. Hmm might be the transpose setting I see it says if it's adjusted it also affects the outgoing MIDI data.. I can't remember what it said but I will have to wait until Sunday morning to find out.

[MikeCL]

btw how do you like the FC7 pedal? is it sold enough that it wont slide on a wooden stage floor?

They're great, very smooth in both motion and signal. But also stiff enough that it stays in the position you leave it. Also has an angle adjustable between two positions. And if I remember correctly it has holes on the bottom that you could use to screw it down to a board with. But also large rubber feet, so lots of surface contact. It shouldn't skitter around.

hmm I did not know it was adjustable like that seems pretty nice I like the size somewhat looks like the B3 pedal.

[MikeCL]

This is my old fake-organ rig. Switch (damper) pedal is Leslie slow/fast (or off/fast, which I actually prefer.) Yamaha FC-7 volume pedal is the swell. Even after modifying stands to get the two keyboards as close as possible, I couldn't get the lower manual close enough to the upper to match the dimensions of a real Hammond, so it's a few inches too low.

I'm debating about getting a m-audio keystation 61ES Do all of onstage stands have support for a 2nd tier level? I'm not sure if I want to put the M-audio on top or the motif.. IF I do two the motif does not have a lot of room to stick the nanocontrol's

btw I have the NI FM7 but I still think a real DX7 is one fine piece of equipment for it's time.

[AdmiralQuality]

This is my old fake-organ rig. Switch (damper) pedal is Leslie slow/fast (or off/fast, which I actually prefer.) Yamaha FC-7 volume pedal is the swell. Even after modifying stands to get the two keyboards as close as possible, I couldn't get the lower manual close enough to the upper to match the dimensions of a real Hammond, so it's a few inches too low.

I'm debating about getting a m-audio keystation 61ES Do all of onstage stands have support for a 2nd tier level? I'm not sure if I want to put the M-audio on top or the motif.. IF I do two the motif does not have a lot of room to stick the nanocontrol's

btw I have the NI FM7 but I still think a real DX7 is one fine piece of equipment for it's time.

That's actually two stands, jammed together. And I had to drill another hole in the cross-brace of one of them to get the exact right height (which was NOT easy, took an hour on an industrial drill press).

This stand is also available with an upper tier, and I have it, but it's way too high and it hangs forward at an angle. Not for organ, but a Minimoog would look good on it.

That M-AUDIO keyboard has one advantage, there's nothing above or behind the keyboard. So it would make a good candidate for putting close underneath another keyboard. Obviously the one with the big control panel and knobs sticking out is the one you'll want on top.

Same reason I used a DX-7 and an Ensoniq ESQ-1 as my lower manual. Nice and shallow, with flat tops and controls short enough that they weren't in danger of getting knocked off or moved by the feet of the keyboard on top or the stand holding it.

That was another mod I was thinking of doing to the CX-3. Building a lower manual and chassis for it that would fit the CX-3 on top of. Kind of as if I had a BX-3 that split apart for transport. Why does nobody make this?!?