KVR Audio

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:03 am

brandondrury wrote:There's no copy protection scheme that ever benefits those who pay. By design, it punishes those who pay in a world where it is optional most of the time. Frustrating times. Some day they will figure it out....I hope.

It always blows when you plan for a big fun time. I always make sure NOT to risk it with any "upgrades" just as if it were a big session.

Brandon

Just don't forget that the problem is created by those not paying - for anything

Don't blame companies trying to protect their immaterial property to stay in business.

What OP experienced is almost what I did installing Arturia Oberheim as a free synth in the package I bought - but I finally came through. Two years ago it was with a Syncrosoft key to try Cubase demo.

Syncrosoft is really poor software design. Numerous long timeouts and messages difficult to understand - instead of just doing what is needed.

What is this message about after 20s or so timeout:

If the license database need an update, and on top of that eLicenser needs an update to be compatible - just freaking do that for the user.

Don't give the user an url to read off the screen, then go there and find what might be relevant by reading around. Download and install the update, the go into Update license database, then finalize your activation of the license.

And I recognize the repair thingy from getting a license down to the key when doing the Cubase thingy. In support with Steinberg over the day I was told many things, clear the memory of the key, update this, update that. And still it never worked - I could not get a trial for Cubase running.

Compare this with Native Instruments Service Center. If service center need an update that is done on the fly for you. And managing licenses is a cakewalk. You even click and an available update for the product is downloaded for you - but you have to start that installation manually afterwords.

So I would say NI and Syncrosoft are heaven and hell - from a user perspective.

skitchy · Post by **skitchy** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:31 am

Don't blame companies trying to protect their immaterial property to stay in business.

Except they don't protect anybody from anything - every copy protection scheme gets cracked. So why bother with the time and expense of implementing copy protection at all when the only people it harms are your legitimate customers.
Its a real farcical area of technology.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:38 am

Head over to http://www.wavealchemy.co.uk/free-samples and download the killer free drum samples, that'll get you through the weekend until you get Spark back up and running. I sold him the recording gear he uses and can tell you it's top notch stuff.

bronxsound · Post by **bronxsound** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 7:50 am

May I join Moaning Club? In my case recently Studio One has refused reading the license just out of sudden. Importing the key does not work. I still have activations available fortunately. Anyway I feel unhappy about it. In some way I start appreciating dongles...
Moan over

rob_lee · Post by **rob_lee** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 8:20 am

brandondrury wrote:There's no copy protection scheme that ever benefits those who pay. By design, it punishes those who pay in a world where it is optional most of the time.

Brandon

+1

So true

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:01 am

While I do sympathise, Arturia didnt force you to change your system. That was your decision. Its a massive change and im always surprised how many on KVR dont have OS images to go back to if a foul up occurs. Very few companies offer support over the weekend. Its a bad time to make changes. Its also sometimes the only time we have. As was said earlier, changes can ruin everthing. Ive been there, we all have. Now I make GHOST image just in case MY MISTAKES catch me out.

tetsuneko · Post by **tetsuneko** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:32 am

I don't get it - you say you have only been using this Arturia product for a little while? And now it's ruining your music making time that you cannot use it? So you're saying that you had no other drum machines/samplers/drumsynths before the Arturia one and that your drum programming totally relied on it?

I can understand if you're pissed - I would be too. But there's so many ways to make drums, take it as a challenge or a little detour to your usual workflow. Arturia will sort you out next week. Don't let a lil speed bump ruin your precious musiking time!

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:32 am

UltraJv wrote:While I do sympathise, Arturia didnt force you to change your system. That was your decision. Its a massive change and im always surprised how many on KVR dont have OS images to go back to if a foul up occurs. Very few companies offer support over the weekend. Its a bad time to make changes. Its also sometimes the only time we have. As was said earlier, changes can ruin everthing. Ive been there, we all have. Now I make GHOST image just in case MY MISTAKES catch me out.

+1

An OS change like that (also changing all your drivers etc) will always be seen as a new machine and require re-authorisation. I have reautherised arturia stuff before and didn't need to contact them, maybe too many authorisations? Did you de-authorise on the old os before switching? I'm sure arturia will help you out, bit you can't really expectvliv support at the weekend....

Elysium.NZ · Post by **Elysium.NZ** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:37 am

bronxsound wrote:May I join Moaning Club? In my case recently Studio One has refused reading the license just out of sudden. Importing the key does not work. I still have activations available fortunately. Anyway I feel unhappy about it. In some way I start appreciating dongles...
Moan over

Disabling or removing (or installing and enabling) a network card will do this to a Studio One license as the machine id is formulated on a NIC identifier if one is available. Since you have other auths available you could use another auth to cover both situations.

WOK · Post by **WOK** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 9:52 am

classic wrote:
SAW75 wrote:Had a disasterous attempt at switching my host and plugs to 64 bit and had to do some work on my computer getting back to 32 bit. Now my "soft elicenser" is deactivated and will not authorize Spark or repair my soft elicenser. I can not get to any of my programs or save any new music. Arturia support is closed and it is now the weekend. I am so pissed. I finally have time to finish some products and my main drum machine is useless.

Nice copy protection. Maybe a rep from Arturia will see this and help me out...

Actually this really sucks.
Rule number on " NEVER change a working system!!!!"
I learnt that also the hard way.

And make complete HD backups before....
Anyway I don't understand these annoying copy-protection tries of the big companies. It will be cracked anyway - just makes one week difference until it appears on the warezs sites. All NI or Arturia stuff can be found typing something into Google, so why do they still punish their customers with these drivers and progs that sneak deep in the system?

ChiTown24 · Post by **ChiTown24** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:30 am

Didn't you make a backup first ?
Don't you realise how Challenge/Response type Software licenses work ? They vary between being dependent on system and hardware profiles. That's why you should backup before tweaking your system. It's also why you shouldn't do something stupid like tweak your non-backed up system at the weekend {as theres a strong chance the support you will need will not be available}

seems like you just did the double-whammy of system tweak NO-NOs.

valuable life lesson i guess. at least youre not missing a paid gig over this.

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:54 am

skitchy wrote:
Don't blame companies trying to protect their immaterial property to stay in business.
Except they don't protect anybody from anything - every copy protection scheme gets cracked. So why bother with the time and expense of implementing copy protection at all when the only people it harms are your legitimate customers.
Its a real farcical area of technology.

It's only people that want to excuse themselves downloading warez that claim that - because it's stops them having free access to latest patch with bugfixes and stuff.

Parasites want it all to be free.

But it's said when copyprotection causes trouble. Just saying - don't blaim those that have invested a lot, themselves, their houses and put everthing at risk to create a business.

Never forget about that.

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:07 am

lfm wrote:
It's only people that want to excuse themselves downloading warez that claim that

Horseshit, it's just one person's evaluation. Nice way to accuse that poster of warez use.

Trakstar · Post by **Trakstar** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:19 am

I know this might sound dumb, but there is a literally so much stuff you can download and try for free or free software you can use you could spend an hour or two having a break from your original setup and trying something new. Get hold of reaper for a few hours and some new samples and synths and jam away. Sometimes having a change to your normal routine can bring you ideas and inspirational work you would not normally have done had you worked with the stuff your used to. Grab yourself a demo of renoise and try a tracker out for a while. Who knows? you might even find something you like as well.

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:45 am

If it's Windows 7 - it's a b*tch, and it's probably trying to put the license in a folder that no longer exists, or you don't have access to. Did you update your eLicenser software first? I have yet to move my dongle over to the 64 bit computer, and it has my Arturia and Nexus license on it. I want to get through with Komplete first

I haven't had any trouble migrating software except for Rapture, and it resolved itself with a little poking and prodding from me. Hope you get it worked out. In this case, a dongle would have been your friend, but agreed - it would be nice if they are going to have this protection to have a server on which you could store your license and access it via the internet if you had to. Doesn't some other company work this way?

The fish have spoken. Time to make music.