Ableton Live 64 bit beta in wild....but no M4L

[miro pajic]

Another short question:

I have no experience with 64Bit hosts and the question might be stupid, but besides the RAM thing, will my CPU "feel" the 64Bit as well? (I mean can I use more plugins with less CPU?)

Thanks!

[BenWills]

well, it is hard to think that the amount the CPU process in the a period of time will be changed unless you upgrade your machine's CPU or the program itself gets its coding improved.

[robogone]

The CPU will have to have 64 bit registers to even use a 64 bit OS, so without that you won't be able to use anything 64 bit. A 32 bit processor would not be able to run a 64 bit OS or 64 bit programs in the first place.

[sqigls]

64 bit Live is a good step.

A few editing tools for MIDI would be nice too. MIDI editing is a joke in Live.
I'm convinced v9 will have a billion new space-age glitchy bass-wobble DJ tools, and 60GB of multi-sampled farm animal sounds, but no MIDI scissors tool.

"Don't get me STARTED!!"
- Krusty the Clown

[miro pajic]

Thanks for the replies, guys! I'm on snow leopard (I think running in 32Bit mode though...will check that)

[sockofgold]

I'm convinced v9 will have a billion new space-age glitchy bass-wobble DJ tools, and 60GB of multi-sampled farm animal sounds, but no MIDI scissors tool.

Haha! I wish I could call you a pessimist, but I fear the same thing. More crap that nobody wants/needs, like SoundCloud integration (because using a web browser is so difficult), and a new feature-reduced micro-GUI rebranded third-party instrument for $150 extra...

[herein]

Also though .... suppose you are Ableton and you have 10 HUGE new features ready for Live 9. One of which is 64 bit operation...

As beta testing approaches on the horizon, doesn't it make sense to split out the 64 bit operation, which is 1) a big thing under the hood but 2) a specialised feature that some users won't be able to test?

Makes sense to me that 64 bit is one of those things long expected in Live 9, so right now they cut to the chase, and give it a beta all to itself within the Live 8 cycle. Meanwhile they can fix and 64 bit issues before 10 allowing Live 8 users to then have 8.4 for free as another great gesture and 2) moving quickly to the testing phase of the other 9 things in Live 9.

This seems like an extremely probable explanation. Give the 64bit its own beta, and get everybody on it before dropping live 9.

[wasi]

Also though .... suppose you are Ableton and you have 10 HUGE new features ready for Live 9. One of which is 64 bit operation...

As beta testing approaches on the horizon, doesn't it make sense to split out the 64 bit operation, which is 1) a big thing under the hood but 2) a specialised feature that some users won't be able to test?

Makes sense to me that 64 bit is one of those things long expected in Live 9, so right now they cut to the chase, and give it a beta all to itself within the Live 8 cycle. Meanwhile they can fix and 64 bit issues before 10 allowing Live 8 users to then have 8.4 for free as another great gesture and 2) moving quickly to the testing phase of the other 9 things in Live 9.

This seems like an extremely probable explanation. Give the 64bit its own beta, and get everybody on it before dropping live 9.

It worked with me. I also think they're just plain scared 64bit might make live 9 the stability debacle that live8 was, so they decided to iron it out in Live 8, pick up some slack re: Bitwig's selling points and give some users that have been witing for this (like me) a bonus feature in Live 8.

That said, I share sqigls worries about Live9. There is such a huge list of annoying nitty-gritties that are missing in Live but not 'marketing material'. I'm worried they'll ignore them.

[agentgomez]

64bit Live - did hell just began to froze?

i dunno, but i swear i saw a monkey fly by the house !!!

[neverenoughfunk]

Also though .... suppose you are Ableton and you have 10 HUGE new features ready for Live 9. One of which is 64 bit operation...

As beta testing approaches on the horizon, doesn't it make sense to split out the 64 bit operation, which is 1) a big thing under the hood but 2) a specialised feature that some users won't be able to test?

Makes sense to me that 64 bit is one of those things long expected in Live 9, so right now they cut to the chase, and give it a beta all to itself within the Live 8 cycle. Meanwhile they can fix and 64 bit issues before 10 allowing Live 8 users to then have 8.4 for free as another great gesture and 2) moving quickly to the testing phase of the other 9 things in Live 9.

This seems like an extremely probable explanation. Give the 64bit its own beta, and get everybody on it before dropping live 9.

It worked with me. I also think they're just plain scared 64bit might make live 9 the stability debacle that live8 was, so they decided to iron it out in Live 8, pick up some slack re: Bitwig's selling points and give some users that have been witing for this (like me) a bonus feature in Live 8.

That said, I share sqigls worries about Live9. There is such a huge list of annoying nitty-gritties that are missing in Live but not 'marketing material'. I'm worried they'll ignore them.

i actually think that Live 9 will have a mixer that rivals the SSL Mixer in Reason... i believe in the "current" DAW world as far as income is concerned Reason is the "top" dog... if Live 9 is stable with a mixer that can "rival" the SSL Mixer in Reason... they will be ahead of the game...

i understand there are a few features that everyone is looking for... i.e. automation in the session view, better midi/audio editing... but a mixer that "rivals" the SSL Mixer in Reason and stability would make Ableton Live "top" dog!!!

all of this is strictly my opinion... and have been known to be wrong a few times in my life!!!

[headquest]

Having used both extensively, I much prefer Ableton's mixer to the Reason SSL emulation. Essentially the Ableton mixer is designed to leverage the benefits of working in software, while the Reason one copies the UI and workflow of a hardward mixer... it doesn't fit on a computer screen, involves lots of scrolling, while the built in effects are good they are certainly not best in class. In Ableton of course you can insert whatever effects you wish via VST plugins.

The Reason mixer - though huge - has some severe limitations too. Only 8 send tracks, no bussing no free routing, no group tracks.... Ableton is way ahead, it just doesn't have the faux hardware graphics is all ... thank goodness!!

There are a few basic improvements that could be made to the Ableton mixer which would set it firmly ahead. The tools currently available in the "Utility" effect could be integrated into the mixer strip instead for a start, and that would be useful. The Ableton compression and EQ8 are I think better than any of the effects offered by Reason, and it's not exactly a problem to drag and drop them onto the tracks where they are needed. A high end "bus compressor" special effect would be nice though.

[neverenoughfunk]

with ableton giving away 64-bit... the only feature i was wanting for... what else could they add for that usual $189 upgrade price? stability? in todays economic times... $189 is a lot of money... question... what else could they offer?

[neverenoughfunk]

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[neverenoughfunk]

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[sockofgold]

with ableton giving away 64-bit... the only feature i was wanting for... what else could they add for that usual $189 upgrade price? stability? in todays economic times... $189 is a lot of money... question... what else could they offer?

Better MIDI editing would be a good start. Detachable piano roll and mixer is LONG overdue. I personally would also like to see better management for multi-timbral instruments. Sessions get messy and disorganized very quickly when you have even just 2 or 3 multi-timbral instruments running.