OXIUM -New Xils-lab synthesizer- [ Jp8 Comparison :) ]

[Lotuzia]

Hey, could I get some answers or input on my earlier non-skinning questions concerning specifics about the synth? Thanks in advance. Cheers!

Sorry I cant remeber them

Hmmmm I think you'd better quote yourself to reput them on the top of the pile Snigelx, cos the thread is already very long and its hard to digg in it

LtZ

[Crackbaby]

1. master should be named so it reflects what it is the master of...ie volume/gain
2. LFO rates mean nothing, need 1/1 1/4 1/18 etc
3. mod dest 'osc width' should be clear that its pulse width
4. init preset, osc 2 is set at 0.02 semitones, should be zero
5. tiny makrkers around some knobs that follow white lines are too small, they look like dust
6. its not clear until you actually try which waveforms have PWM
7. no double click to reset knobs/sliders
8. no option to turn osc sync on/off ?
9. needs a sub osc
10. fx (chorus.delay and phaser) are terrible, sorry, but they are, especially the phaser

now, im not trying to be too negative, these are just a few things i noticed on my first run thru.

i'll dig deeper during the weekend, and aplogies if any of those points have been mentioned before.

Dave

Some very good points. Considering how much i love working with this synth and how much im high on the sound i could let them go though. Even the sun has it's stains so to speak

I think the effects are ok. The delay is a little hard to quickly get the sound i want. The chorus type 3 i love, the phaser sounds like it's a phaser that works very well with the synth. It's more like a phaserfilter at the end of the chain rather than a phaser effect to me.
Doubleclick to reset should be standard... Im glad my mouse has lots of buttons for ctrl and other commands.

LFO rates like this makes me scratch my head a little ...... but i suppose they make your ears work harder. Personally i would love a table where you could enter those values you actually use. I don't think i have ever used 16th triplets..!

Didn't notice the tiny markers until i read this. On one knob there's graphic real dust .. so there's two of them The white filling is probably enough for the eye.

The preset system is ace!

Thank you for making this synth .... i think you nailed it! Sounds, UI and Functions .. Ace!

[Lotuzia]

1. master should be named so it reflects what it is the master of...ie volume/gain
2. LFO rates mean nothing, need 1/1 1/4 1/18 etc
3. mod dest 'osc width' should be clear that its pulse width
4. init preset, osc 2 is set at 0.02 semitones, should be zero
5. tiny makrkers around some knobs that follow white lines are too small, they look like dust
6. its not clear until you actually try which waveforms have PWM
7. no double click to reset knobs/sliders
8. no option to turn osc sync on/off ?
9. needs a sub osc
10. fx (chorus.delay and phaser) are terrible, sorry, but they are, especially the phaser

now, im not trying to be too negative, these are just a few things i noticed on my first run thru.

i'll dig deeper during the weekend, and aplogies if any of those points have been mentioned before.

Dave

Yes many points have already been discussed several times, dont worry its normal in such a long thread.

Pulse width : Like Ingo said
Oscillators : Are analog and therefore free running. Dont worry for thick basses, judging by the presets I have received from different SDs you can do some.
Reset knob to default : Please use ALT + click on the control
init preset : I agree. Btw there are more than ten init presets/tutorial presets to get you started for various situations. I hope people will appreciate this just let us know.
Subosc : well it would add to cpu. We'll see
Fx : I disagree but maybe its a matter of taste. I love the delays, you can get some nearly spring reverb things with it too ( just dont use the sync to midi knob and small delays times ), and the Chorus is a subset of our ChoriX effect, wich is a BBD chorus emulation, and has been praised by many users who own the real things, but here again Chorus is a matter of taste. I rarely use phasers but SDs seem to appreciate it, so I cant comment this one more than this.
LFO rates : Are expressed in tempo div/mult. Well maybe another mode could be added, expressed in notes values. We'll consider this one.

[jbuonacc]

a couple odd things i've noticed:

the "ring" around the Pan knob is bi-directional, showing just a mark when centered. moving it left or right, the white bar shows where you are from center. nice. however, the pop-up "Balance" display goes from 0-100. shouldn't it read "Center" when there is no pan (instead of 50), and some thing like "R-xxx" when turned to the right? having 0-100 on a Pan control doesn't make much sense.

opposite for the Filter KEYB and ENV Amounts (and others), the white of the ring looks like it goes from 0-100, while the pop-up display shows zero at center and pos/neg values to the left or right of center. this doesn't make sense, seeing as you have it correct on the Pan knob. there's a number of other controls like this that seem like they're the opposite of how they should work. the Filter ENV stuck out to me first, it took me a second to realize that it was bi-directional due to what the ring shows.

Lotuzia - any comment on these points?

[Ingonator]

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Pulse width : Like Ingo said

I corrected myself as in the OSC section the knob is called "Pulse Width" and "Osc width" in the mod matrix which could be confusing.


Ingo

[Kriminal]

Pulse width : Like Ingo said

you lost me there

Oscillators : Are analog and therefore free running. Dont worry for thick basses, judging by the presets I have received from different SDs you can do some.

the option would be nice, it makes a big difference, trust me.

one thing i would like to mention...the waveform shapes are slightly confusing to me visually. i read them as ramp, saw, square and pulse, but they are saw, triangle, square and pulse. Am i the only one who finds that a bit odd???

also, why have a sqaure and a pulse if neither are static? you just need a pulse wav that is a square when the duty cycle is at 50%...this would leave you a space for a sine waveform

just an idea.

[Kriminal]

using the init prest slightly modified (so it is a raw osc sound) i get a nasty click on retriggering

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lisa.milli ... -click.wav

[Lotuzia]

also, why have a sqaure and a pulse if neither are static? you just need a pulse wav that is a square when the duty cycle is at 50%...this would leave you a space for a sine waveform

just an idea.

The Pulse has PWM, and the Square is the only one that dont have it : So by stacking them you can get easily a fatter sound. ( just like having two PWM but one is fixed )

Well if you experiment a bit with that, you'll quickly see what I mean.

[Lotuzia]

using the init prest slightly modified (so it is a raw osc sound) i get a nasty click on retriggering

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lisa.milli ... -click.wav

Well you can make any synthesiser click. It can be good for attacks too. PWM can give very clicky sounds when pushed a bit.

So I'd say that if we dont know what you did its difficult to say if its a problem, or ...... a feature.

[Kriminal]

using the init prest slightly modified (so it is a raw osc sound) i get a nasty click on retriggering

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/lisa.milli ... -click.wav

Well you can make any synthesiser click. It can be good for attacks too. PWM can give very clicky sounds when pushed a bit.

So I'd say that if we dont know what you did its difficult to say if its a problem, or ...... a feature.

are you serious? any dev would say 'send me the patch' and i'll look at it...but you're saying its a feature?

its a raw osc patch, you do know what this is dont you? (you can make it in 3 seconds) it should def NOT click, if it does its a problem.

[Lotuzia]

Well saying "if we dont know what you did" was an invitation for you to tell us what you did actually.

I have now around 400 instruments made by very diverse people and did not notice anything like that, and it was not reported by people who spent dozens of hours on it, so if it is so easy to do in 3 seconds well I cant guess what it is. You can post the patch here or on Xils forum if you dont want to say what you did.

[vurt]

Well saying "if we dont know what you did" was an invitation for you to tell us what you did actually.

I have now around 400 instruments made by very diverse people and did not notice anything like that, and it was not reported by people who spent dozens of hours on it, so if it is so easy to do in 3 seconds well I cant guess what it is. You can post the patch here or on Xils forum if you dont want to say what you did.

its a raw oscillator, that should tell you what he did.

[Lotuzia]

a couple odd things i've noticed:

the "ring" around the Pan knob is bi-directional, showing just a mark when centered. moving it left or right, the white bar shows where you are from center. nice. however, the pop-up "Balance" display goes from 0-100. shouldn't it read "Center" when there is no pan (instead of 50), and some thing like "R-xxx" when turned to the right? having 0-100 on a Pan control doesn't make much sense.

opposite for the Filter KEYB and ENV Amounts (and others), the white of the ring looks like it goes from 0-100, while the pop-up display shows zero at center and pos/neg values to the left or right of center. this doesn't make sense, seeing as you have it correct on the Pan knob. there's a number of other controls like this that seem like they're the opposite of how they should work. the Filter ENV stuck out to me first, it took me a second to realize that it was bi-directional due to what the ring shows.

Lotuzia - any comment on these points?

Hi Mr J.

Yes thanks for the reminder :

This one should be fixed in the next version ( coming soon ) :

Fixed :

Popup Balance is now displaying like : "L, %L, C, %R, R" depending on the value

We'll gradually adress the other matters

[Kriminal]

Well saying "if we dont know what you did" was an invitation for you to tell us what you did actually.

I have now around 400 instruments made by very diverse people and did not notice anything like that, and it was not reported by people who spent dozens of hours on it, so if it is so easy to do in 3 seconds well I cant guess what it is. You can post the patch here or on Xils forum if you dont want to say what you did.

if you mean 400 presets, you wont get any raw osc patches, its not sonically desirable...its an init patch (as seen on most synths) you can see by looking at the waveform i uploaded.

If you dont know what a raw osc patch is, im talking to the wrong person. Perhaps the people who coded the synth can comment on it.

[Nielzie]

Thank you for making this synth .... i think you nailed it! Sounds, UI and Functions .. Ace!

+1

Very nice sounding synth indeed. Love it. I have no complaints about the GUI either. And it's very reasonably priced too for what you get And it has just serial nr. protection!!

Thank you!