What happens when a 54 year old dude attempts Fusion DubStep? Will you tell me?

[seismic1]

Tim....damn!..I wish i could push a button and be hanging in a pub with you! A nice chat over a bit of the bubbly (well, that's what my English friends call it anyway-and as I understand it it's not very bubbly at all-go figure?) (YUM???!!!)

Thanks for your thoughtful support.

The fewer bubbles, the better

lol...do the English call it bubbly or is it bitters or not either? I can't remember. I know I had bought a home brewing kit a million years ago an after I played this gig a bunch of Britts I'd met came over to my house early in the morning after the bar/club closed. I had this home made beer in my basement that was from england. It was like a big bag and one would just add water and wait 6 weeks or something like that; It had a spigot on it. Well. We sat in my basement and got shit faced and they loved it. And it was just barely carbonated-sort of flat.Andthey said this is like the beer we get at home Mate-fancy that aye? aaaaa fond memories.....

That's right, It's called bitter in England and is certainly flat. Very nice too. I had 4 pints of it earlier tonight

[BjornChapman]

Genre debating is a tiring subject.. but I'll throw my two cents in

I agree with what the other user that perhaps most wouldn't call it dubstep, because the rhythm is a little too direct. Although I would definitely say it is dubstep inspired with the wobbles. Most dubstep pieces have what I call a swaying rhythm with the percussion, or syncopation. Then the bass-lines can be as direct or indirect as you want them to be. Just make those lines talk to the drums, or work around the beat.

A good start is to make the drums have a two bar statement-response set-up. In the response phrase put emphasize on the fourth beat. It'll do wonders.

Putting these strict and confining definitions aside, (let's not forget the music) it sounds good! I do feel the rapping de-emphasized the drums; made it fall flat. Your voice is "fighting" with the bass-line for space. You shouldn't overlay so much movement simultaneously. Another user said to try and sing the notes. This is good advice because your voice will be sustain and less movement with the bass, more space for the bass. Just my two cents, cha ching~

[any1particular]

Genre debating is a tiring subject.. but I'll throw my two cents in

I agree with what the other user that perhaps most wouldn't call it dubstep, because the rhythm is a little too direct. Although I would definitely say it is dubstep inspired with the wobbles. Most dubstep pieces have what I call a swaying rhythm with the percussion, or syncopation. Then the bass-lines can be as direct or indirect as you want them to be. Just make those lines talk to the drums, or work around the beat.

A good start is to make the drums have a two bar statement-response set-up. In the response phrase put emphasize on the fourth beat. It'll do wonders.

Putting these strict and confining definitions aside, (let's not forget the music) it sounds good! I do feel the rapping de-emphasized the drums; made it fall flat. Your voice is "fighting" with the bass-line for space. You shouldn't overlay so much movement simultaneously. Another user said to try and sing the notes. This is good advice because your voice will be sustain and less movement with the bass, more space for the bass. Just my two cents, cha ching~

I didn't mean for this post to become a genre debate? Perhaps I shouldn't have label the track as DubStep?

I love your thoughtful 'constructive' criticism; it's essential if one is to grow! Right? I have a hard time not getting carried away with the plethora of FX/instruments/samples etc etc. And I am aware that it is an art to know when to leave things out-as hard as it may be. Especially in this type of music. I really am not trying to emulate 'DubStep'.

As I think I stated in the beginning (I'm in lovewith almost all styles of music-even old country - studied it once upon a time). I'm interested in taking elements from DubStep/Drum And Bass and 'doing my own thing' with them? That said I'm VERY interested in your above comment-sounds like you have a strong grasp on this genre. I have reached out to several local DJ's here in Detroit-and there are some really good ones-to give me lessons-and I would pay for them-so far no luck-peeps say when they're not too busy they'll lend a hand etc etc.

Aaaannnnyyyywwwwaaayyyyy.

Can you recommend something as a reference-youtube vid or specific music for learning purposes. I have learned a lot on my own. You know-youtube vids? Seems there are many ways to go about making wobbles including rendering your own then dropping them in drum racks; from there it's just crazy how creative things can get.

Thanks for posting.

[polyslax]

I think it's so cool that you remain open-minded and curious to explore new/different styles Chuck. Shows great artistic spirit imo. Now, if you can somehow work out a bluegrass-dubstep track I'm all ears.

[jancivil]

I do feel the rapping de-emphasized the drums; made it fall flat. Your voice is "fighting" with the bass-line for space. You shouldn't overlay so much movement simultaneously. Another user said to try and sing the notes. This is good advice because your voice will be sustain and less movement with the bass, more space for the bass. Just my two cents, cha ching~

I couldn't disagree more. The drums there support the vocal. That's a normative musical value. I don't know where that's coming from. I was able to keep up with all elements going on at the same time. It's like one is driven to criticize per se. Kind of comes off as pretentious, "You shouldn't blah blah".

[BjornChapman]

Well, in the context of the bass I just feel the vocals are out of place. Just my opinion. I am definitely not trying to impress. Just genuinely trying to provide an opinion. However, about "keeping up" with the music. I don't mean it is busy. Just in my opinion the blend between the two seemed to be out of balance. I didn't mean to push anyone's buttons the wrong way, ha ha

Peace

[any1particular]

I think it's so cool that you remain open-minded and curious to explore new/different styles Chuck. Shows great artistic spirit imo. Now, if you can somehow work out a bluegrass-dubstep track I'm all ears.

OMG! I got a good belly laugh out of that Matt! (bluegrass-dubstep track???-that would REALLY get the DubStep aficionados panties all up in a bunch-and who could blame them? Kinda like putting THE disco beat to Johann Strauß) I needed that-thanks.

I do feel the rapping de-emphasized the drums; made it fall flat. Your voice is "fighting" with the bass-line for space. You shouldn't overlay so much movement simultaneously. Another user said to try and sing the notes. This is good advice because your voice will be sustain and less movement with the bass, more space for the bass. Just my two cents, cha ching~

I couldn't disagree more. The drums there support the vocal. That's a normative musical value. I don't know where that's coming from. I was able to keep up with all elements going on at the same time. It's like one is driven to criticize per se. Kind of comes off as pretentious, "You shouldn't blah blah".

Wow Jan. Thanks for your support. We ALL like to have our ego stroked don't we? So says the good DoctorSigmund Freud? I really don't take my music that seriously-or I'm tryng not to? You know? When I was like 11 years old and I picked up a guitar it was out of pure ceriouosity? I certainly wasn't trying to impress anyone. My insecurity started when people stated putting me on a pedistal-suddenly I had to defend it-it being my ego?

I really appreciate your post Jan-thanks.

Aaaaaaaannnnnyyyyywwwwwaaaayyyyyy.

I'm off on a tangent-where are my meds? HELP!


I really do appreciate criticism and I think Bjorn had some good points? Would you agree there's a difference from say somethone who posts something like "I hate wobbles!! UGG! This music sucks" (which is fine-subjective just kinda mean spirited) to extending thoughtful advise?

Well, in the context of the bass I just feel the vocals are out of place. Just my opinion. I am definitely not trying to impress. Just genuinely trying to provide an opinion. However, about "keeping up" with the music. I don't mean it is busy. Just in my opinion the blend between the two seemed to be out of balance. I didn't mean to push anyone's buttons the wrong way, ha ha

Peace

Bjorn. Thanks again for your thoughtful criticism-like i said-I need it-I want it-gotsa have it-drink it-smoke it-go get it-all up in the grill and shiiiiit.

Thanks for posting.

[Trakstar]

what inspired you to do dubstep?? have you ever thought about other musical genres such as hardcore or trance. I was wondering what kind of music were you into before and how you became enthusiastic in the musical paths that eventually led you to try your hand at this genre. In simpler words, what stood out about this type of music for you to get into it?

[Xenos]

Rock on, Chuck...rock on! I like it. You're absolutely right about dubstep becoming more ambiguous these days and spawning different subgenres. IMHO, that's a good thing. You might check out Burial and Zomby.. really interesting dubstep artists that focus on the sublime and moody side.

[thecontrolcentre]

You might check out Burial and Zomby..

Great stuff. Just listening to "Dedication" atm

[any1particular]

what inspired you to do dubstep?? have you ever thought about other musical genres such as hardcore or trance. I was wondering what kind of music were you into before and how you became enthusiastic in the musical paths that eventually led you to try your hand at this genre. In simpler words, what stood out about this type of music for you to get into it?

What a great question. I just think it's cool/very interesting and creative. I'm not referring to the newer more Americanized -I guess- BruvStep or whatever-though that's cool too. I posted some great dubstep and D&B Internet radio stations above...I sit around drink beer catch a buzz and cruise this incredible Internet and every now and then I stumble onto something way cool. And it just caught my ear. I think dubstep is reallllllly interesting in that one can do such interesting wrythms mixed with sonic ear candy that is just so cool-to me that is-I know many think it's shit.....

Probably what attracts me to these two genres (and I know those that are REALLY good at it are rolling their eyes if they're reading this) is that I can fuse some of my jazz/funk/rock knowledge into it. You know? i can kinda keep those musical traits fresh. Plus it is absolutely conducive to computer music.

Regarding hardcore or trance. I love them when they are done brilliantly. I haven't messed with them because I don't see room for extended 'jazz' chords, interesting harmonic movement etc etc....also I personally am REALLY tired of four on the floor-you know? house type music...again unless it's done REALLY well...like the old Detroit Chicago stuff,,,,this is way out of my league though... I really don't know what I'm talking about....anyway...good question...I hope that answers it ok?

These tracks are a bit more EDM I guess I did with Sylenth a couple of years ago?

http://chucksilva.bandcamp.com/album/fe ... -mortality

Rock on, Chuck...rock on! I like it. You're absolutely right about dubstep becoming more ambiguous these days and spawning different subgenres. IMHO, that's a good thing. You might check out Burial and Zomby.. really interesting dubstep artists that focus on the sublime and moody side.

Very cool Bryan! Yeah. I mean look at house music right-sheeesh there's a gazillion sub genres??? From Swedish Mafia to Marz to dead mouse house! And it's all good bruv!!! Know what I'm saying?

[Trakstar]

what inspired you to do dubstep?? have you ever thought about other musical genres such as hardcore or trance. I was wondering what kind of music were you into before and how you became enthusiastic in the musical paths that eventually led you to try your hand at this genre. In simpler words, what stood out about this type of music for you to get into it?

What a great question. I just think it's cool/very interesting and creative. I'm not referring to the newer more Americanized -I guess- BruvStep or whatever-though that's cool too. I posted some great dubstep and D&B Internet radio stations above...I sit around drink beer catch a buzz and cruise this incredible Internet and every now and then I stumble onto something way cool. And it just caught my ear. I think dubstep is reallllllly interesting in that one can do such interesting wrythms mixed with sonic ear candy that is just so cool-to me that is-I know many think it's shit.....

Probably what attracts me to these two genres (and I know those that are REALLY good at it are rolling their eyes if they're reading this) is that I can fuse some of my jazz/funk/rock knowledge into it. You know? i can kinda keep those musical traits fresh. Plus it is absolutely conducive to computer music.

Regarding hardcore or trance. I love them when they are done brilliantly. I haven't messed with them because I don't see room for extended 'jazz' chords, interesting harmonic movement etc etc....also I personally am REALLY tired of four on the floor-you know? house type music...again unless it's done REALLY well...like the old Detroit Chicago stuff,,,,this is way out of my league though... I really don't know what I'm talking about....anyway...good question...I hope that answers it ok?

These tracks are a bit more EDM I guess I did with Sylenth a couple of years ago?

http://chucksilva.bandcamp.com/album/fe ... -mortality

Rock on, Chuck...rock on! I like it. You're absolutely right about dubstep becoming more ambiguous these days and spawning different subgenres. IMHO, that's a good thing. You might check out Burial and Zomby.. really interesting dubstep artists that focus on the sublime and moody side.

Very cool Bryan! Yeah. I mean look at house music right-sheeesh there's a gazillion sub genres??? From Swedish Mafia to Marz to dead mouse house! And it's all good bruv!!! Know what I'm saying?

+1 One of these days you might stumble across a really great fusion of the two, who knows. Its good that you have an open mind and embrace other ideas rather than stifle your audio palette by listening to what other people define as "The in thing" or "What has past into the audio archives of history".
Enjoy your Beers and chill to the music, now thats "a good idea".

I wish you well with your music projects.

[breakmixer]

cool tune, makes me feel better about my age of 40 and still wanting to learn making dance music properly,

you have confirmed - you are never too old, so thanks...

good production, and I like MC parts on tunes

Actually, another guy posted a cool dubstep tune fused with jazz on this very forum(Bit George Benson ish), Dubstep ain't my bag but sometimes I like tunes from different genres.

[breakmixer]

cool tune, makes me feel better about my age of 40 and still wanting to learn making dance music properly,

you have confirmed - you are never too old, so thanks...

good production, and I like MC parts on tunes

Actually, another guy posted a cool dubstep tune fused with jazz on this very forum(Bit George Benson ish), Dubstep ain't my bag but sometimes I like tunes from different genres.

Lol, that other guy was you...

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... on#4257120

I think you must officially be my favourite dubstep artist now!

Do you sell any music anywhere? I actually want this new tune, ideal for finishing a set with(I play Breaks btw whenever/if I DJ out)!

[any1particular]

+1 One of these days you might stumble across a really great fusion of the two, who knows. Its good that you have an open mind and embrace other ideas rather than stifle your audio palette by listening to what other people define as "The in thing" or "What has past into the audio archives of history".
Enjoy your Beers and chill to the music, now thats "a good idea".

I wish you well with your music projects.

You got it exactly right trakstar (name?). Like most of us here I'm only having fun? (be it dubstep-rock-funk-house-bla-bla and on yeah bla ) I try and not take this TOO seriously? And like you said eventually I (like us all here) MIGHT hit on something really great/brilliant! That is my hope.

I once heard a famous writer say that he writes everyday no matter what-whether he's 'in the mood' or not. He said he eventually writes something that is of high enough quality he can publish. Write everyday and you can't not come up with something good?

And so it's been said- 'Repetition is the mother of skill'.