MixControl Pro Discontinued, V2 TBA.

[jethrobull]

I currently have plugins for sale, and IMO not bad ones.
You'd be surprised what reactions I get.

Plugin new 120€ with iLok authorization.
My price 80€ incl. iLok transfer.
Suggestion $50 (not 50€).

Sort of thing.

Like I as the seller am the one who can be so fecking happy that some random guy out there wants me to keep $25 for a plugin that cost me over 5x that price - rather than he as the potential buyer can be happy he found it for 80€ including all fees instead of 120€.

That's not "can't afford", that's just mean "wanna have but don't wanna pay".

Well i agree that if you have anything for sale then people should respect your price rather than try to bully people in to reducing.That is wrong,especially when your already selling for nearly half price!
Sorry,point taken by the way.

[chokehold]

Sorry,point taken by the way.

No need to be sorry.
I didn't mean to "attack" or anything, just explaining why I see things the way I do.

Apparently, a lot of my "internet related cynicism" comes down to the same cause... "I've been on KVR for too long".

[VariKusBrainZ]

Also spinaudio roomverb was the first commercial plugin I bought I know about spinaudio abandonment issues.

Me too
I still use Spin Audio ReverbM2 and is on eof my favoutite reverbs (that I own)

I laugh at the dicks that were spreading the Mixcontrol demise.
Twats.

[Brittlestem]

not a surprise. they've been flakes about mix control in the past. glad i jumped ship months ago.

you can always tell when a product jumps from $19 to $99 to $79 to $39 to free with another purchase and back around again...

it's a shame for the customer when there is no consistancy.

Really? Flakes? Ok.. How about you run a company that for some reason people think is a major player, when indeed it is really just me, now that my pops has Alzheimer's. I got back into this business when I had no reason to. I could have just let the whole thing bomb and all of you could complain. Instead, I jumped out of a hospital bed and made the most of what I could with this company, considering that I've spent almost 6 months fighting to save my life. I could really give a shit less what you think. I did this to make everyone happy, when I could have just said "f**k yourself" like spin audio did.

Like i said... flakes. Pricing problems, confusion at all levels and a guy repeatedly giving his sob story. This is a lot like Dennis from Prodyon and I just can't stomach it. I don't think your personal problems belong in public view when talking about your company. I have my own health problems, real life problems, family and friends to care for... this sort of guilt trip is hideous. I simply don't like your company and really can't trust anything said by TeamDNR.

I was a customer and have had my own experiences. You should be ashamed of your misplaced anger. Clearly there have been plenty of bumps in the road.

Couldn't agree more. Add deeply unprofessional to flakey - when I buy a product from a dev I give as much of a shit about his/her personal life as they about mine. I'm not buying into a f**king soap opera nor do I expect to hear about just how incredibly selfless the dev is and how I should be *grateful* they didn't abandon the product.
The insults thrown about by the usual suspects in this thread just add to the conclusion that this is one to avoid.

[standalone]

when I buy a product from a dev I give as much of a shit about his/her personal life as they about mine. I'm not buying into a f**king soap opera nor do I expect to hear about just how incredibly selfless the dev is and how I should be *grateful* they didn't abandon the product.
The insults thrown about by the usual suspects in this thread just add to the conclusion that this is one to avoid.

If you don't care about anyone's personal life, why do you care about other people being insulted?

[Brittlestem]

when I buy a product from a dev I give as much of a shit about his/her personal life as they about mine. I'm not buying into a f**king soap opera nor do I expect to hear about just how incredibly selfless the dev is and how I should be *grateful* they didn't abandon the product.
The insults thrown about by the usual suspects in this thread just add to the conclusion that this is one to avoid.

If you don't care about anyone's personal life, why do you care about other people being insulted?

I didn't say that.

I said that in the *specific context of buying a product* - ie walking into a shop and buying a chocolate bar - I care about the seller's personal life just about as much as they do about mine.

You don't expect to give someone money for a product and in return they tell you how their life story of pain and misery - unless you're seeing a shrink, right?

It's unprofessional.

Again, *in this context* of seller/buyer, it looks bad when all the "fans" of the seller start randomly insulting one guy who disagrees with the seller's behaviour. It adds to the appearance of being unprofessional.


I'm not entirely sure how you misunderstood what I wrote - just because rlahalla says, "I could really give a shit less what you think," that doesn't mean he doesn't care about *anyone else", right?

[Gamma-UT]

I said that in the *specific context of buying a product* - ie walking into a shop and buying a chocolate bar - I care about the seller's personal life just about as much as they do about mine.

And yet here you are in this thread. And not just that, digging up LinkedIn details about individuals.

You don't expect to give someone money for a product and in return they tell you how their life story of pain and misery - unless you're seeing a shrink, right?

Did TeamDNR email you with any of this?

In any case, I thought this product for you was "one to avoid", like so many of the others where you roll your eyes and tell us how glad you were you avoided something because of all the drama. Where's there's a drama thread, it's rare not to see that little yellow-green face. And yet, you are totally unbovvered with any of it. How strange.

Again, *in this context* of seller/buyer, it looks bad when all the "fans" of the seller start randomly insulting one guy who disagrees with the seller's behaviour. It adds to the appearance of being unprofessional.

I don't think they were random insults: they had a pretty obvious target. But why assume that they are all fans of TeamDNR per se? Have you got evidence that they were all even customers? And even if they are, how does that make the vendor 'unprofessional'? They don't work for the company.

[musikmachine]

After reading the last page, I'm somehow sad.

Not because of Reason's unfortunate story or so, but just to see how little appreciation there is for what he actually did do and achieve.

I do agree, it was VERY un-serious business telling everyone to get MixControl for $29 or $39 or what it was because the price would be upped to $199 ... and then not doing it.

And I also agree, it was also VERY 'flaky' that MCP was reduced to a "sale price for a limited time", which then continued to stay after the time limit, got extended, and now finally sat at "Purchase now for only $49.00 USD until 5/31!" for fecking ages.

But then...
Anyone here who payed more than $39 for the first MixControl?
Anyone here who payed for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone here who knows he'll have to pay for the upgrade to MixControl Pro?
Anyone?

Thought so.

Because in my experience, the KVR community is much too mean to fork out $199 or probably even $99 for a decent new plugin with 1st class support and the possibility to help improve it.

For the price you all got it - is there any equally decent alternative?
Not that I know of. Synthmaker, SynthEdit, prefab-built, Win x86 only, shitty GUIs, limited or rudimentary set of processors, zero or near-zero support, compatibility issue ridden, minimal quality beginner algorithms, zippy and tinny sounding ... yeah, maybe some of those around.

But decent and performant DSP code with ALL the processors you'll ever need in one, an un-cluttered and professional GUI, free updates, and beside all that it's highly reliable and flawlessly compatible, even with a setup as exotic as Reaper x64 on OSX that I use.

A top notch product that definitely WOULD be worth $99 (from my perspective, probably $199 from a company point of view) with free upgrades and all if Reason asked for that kinda money?

Thrown before the wolves for $19/$29/$39/$49 or whatever the prices were?

AND SOMEONE HAS THE NERVE TO COMPLAIN?!
Because he was too cheap and mean to buy in at the nearly-at-all-times reduced prices? Or because he didn't manage to get the best price like others did?

Srsly?!

That's the reason I'm sad.
Give the guy some credit, will ya.

I'll listen to his sob story if it helps me understand his motives, and I'll gladly offer to help in any way I can (probably not many), if it helps to take pressure off TeamDNR and to improve their/his product.

All that, and I don't even use MCP anymore.

Not because I feel like profiling myself as a do-gooder in public or because I'd be expecting any money out of it, but because I appreciate what Reason has achieved, and that he mingles in the "community" and listens to suggestions ... I think that deserves a little more appreciation than just "here's $39, gimme dat" and "he got it for $19, I have to pay $39, you're a crook!".

€0.02

f**king brilliant post!

I f**king agree that it is f**king brillant !

BT(F)W i f**king apologise for that f**king nasty habit of being f**king unpolite ,...just trust me : worse than a f**king hiccup !

Wash your mouth out mister!

[filter303]

I currently have plugins for sale, and IMO not bad ones.
You'd be surprised what reactions I get.

I had my fully working JP8 (with kenton midi) for sale a while ago. One desperate guy who was interested in buying it made me the following offer:
"Hey, what do you say.. I come to pick up the Jupiter and give you thousand euros for it, I will pay you another thousand next month when I get more money"?

An unknown guy is offering me 1k to let him walk out of my door with my beloved jp8? In 2012!
This is just crazy
I wasn't really sure if I should have taken his offer as an joke or an insult.
I am very used to people trying to get lower prices, even if the original price is low already, but this was one of these cases that made me want to pull my hair out. Fortunately I don't have any hair.
Needless to say that I sold it to another guy who paid what I was asking.

[whyterabbyt]

I said that in the *specific context of buying a product* - ie walking into a shop and buying a chocolate bar - I care about the seller's personal life just about as much as they do about mine.

except, in this context, someone started bitching that the chocolate shop is suspect in some way because it was closed on tuesday and wednesday, so the owner explains why they had to take time off. i dont care if you care about the seller's personal life, but trying to use the seller's attempt at an explanation as a second stick to beat him with is shitty, lowlife behaviour.

i wonder what exactly would be 'acceptable' to some folk like you and SAW75? i guess its alright to shit on tiny informal enthusiast's businesses for being real people with real glitches in their lives because they deserve it somehow, is that right? Trying to do a better thing than the big companies, trying to maintain a dialogue with their customers, trying to be real people instead of a faceless company... well that's just one more angle for the usual suspects to be fucktards about isnt it?

[trimph1]

What is it with you fine people?

Do some of you have any life, or what?

[Nanakai]

Couldn't agree more. Add deeply unprofessional to flakey - when I buy a product from a dev I give as much of a shit about his/her personal life as they about mine. I'm not buying into a f**king soap opera nor do I expect to hear about just how incredibly selfless the dev is and how I should be *grateful* they didn't abandon the product.
The insults thrown about by the usual suspects in this thread just add to the conclusion that this is one to avoid.

Then go back under your bridge and avoid it.

[Brittlestem]

I said that in the *specific context of buying a product* - ie walking into a shop and buying a chocolate bar - I care about the seller's personal life just about as much as they do about mine.

except, in this context, someone started bitching that the chocolate shop is suspect in some way because it was closed on tuesday and wednesday, so the owner explains why they had to take time off. i dont care if you care about the seller's personal life, but trying to use the seller's attempt at an explanation as a second stick to beat him with is shitty, lowlife behaviour.


i wonder what exactly would be 'acceptable' to some folk like you and SAW75? i guess its alright to shit on tiny informal enthusiast's businesses for being real people with real glitches in their lives because they deserve it somehow, is that right? Trying to do a better thing than the big companies, trying to maintain a dialogue with their customers, trying to be real people instead of a faceless company... well that's just one more angle for the usual suspects to be fucktards about isnt it?

Ahh, here comes Whyterabbyt riding in on his high-horse, right on cue. "Trying to be real people..." - god, it tugs on the heart-strings, it really does.

[samsam]

@ whyte- 100% agreement

@ reason - sometimes you come across as being as mad as a sack of hammers and I like that in a person. Keep on keeping on

[trimph1]

I said that in the *specific context of buying a product* - ie walking into a shop and buying a chocolate bar - I care about the seller's personal life just about as much as they do about mine.

except, in this context, someone started bitching that the chocolate shop is suspect in some way because it was closed on tuesday and wednesday, so the owner explains why they had to take time off. i dont care if you care about the seller's personal life, but trying to use the seller's attempt at an explanation as a second stick to beat him with is shitty, lowlife behaviour.


i wonder what exactly would be 'acceptable' to some folk like you and SAW75? i guess its alright to shit on tiny informal enthusiast's businesses for being real people with real glitches in their lives because they deserve it somehow, is that right? Trying to do a better thing than the big companies, trying to maintain a dialogue with their customers, trying to be real people instead of a faceless company... well that's just one more angle for the usual suspects to be fucktards about isnt it?

Ahh, here comes Whyterabbyt riding in on his high-horse, right on cue. "Trying to be real people..." - god, it tugs on the heart-strings, it really does.

What do you think they should be?

Machines?

They should have no life?

God forbid if someone ends up needing cancer treatments with you lot....