whats a good "vintage" eq

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Spoilt for choice really, I couldn't possibly narrow it down. However if the two Stillwell Equalizers You are enjoying alot then it might be worth trying out AbbeyRoad Plugins 'Mastering' pack, Deceptive name as all You get is one semi-parametric EQ and high/low pass filter, Its rather alot like the Stillwell VibeEQ as in the available choice of bandwidth/Q options along with the choice of selectable frequencies which do have some overlap are for Me just ideal for working with quickly. No added saturation as far as I know but a pleasure to use, Then the already mentioned Waves V-Series gives You a 1073/82 3 and 4 band pair of Equalizers which are again quick to work with, I got them in the Waves Studio Classics Collection which I love and use alot. Also a more recent release which is a sweet sounding EQ is the Plug-In Alliance's Maag EQ 6, The high-frequency boost on it is great and has replaced Eiosis's AireQ for special High-Frequency boosting in my toolkit, Again it is pricey opposed to the Stillwell 1973 but definately worth trying out IMveryhumbleHO

Others I like and use include Softube's Passive active pack which is killer on the mid-range areas I find when combined, PSP Audioware sQuad and NobleEQex is a fine selection, Waves Q-Clone which although not immediate it can be just great when stacking up the various captures (and you're own if You have any) and URS CCS Pro 2 which is crammed with many EQ types, Input transforming 'colourizing' algorithms that can change the character of a fairly decent neutral sounding mic pre-amps to sound expensive. Last but no means anywhere near least all of the processors by Herbert/Bootsie/VoS which are a pleasure to work with and dial in

Have fun demoing all that You can and hope You find what You are after, All the best and to everyone else as always

Dean

[jam92189]

Spoilt for choice really, I couldn't possibly narrow it down. However if the two Stillwell Equalizers You are enjoying alot then it might be worth trying out AbbeyRoad Plugins 'Mastering' pack, Deceptive name as all You get is one semi-parametric EQ and high/low pass filter, Its rather alot like the Stillwell VibeEQ as in the available choice of bandwidth/Q options along with the choice of selectable frequencies which do have some overlap are for Me just ideal for working with quickly. No added saturation as far as I know but a pleasure to use, Then the already mentioned Waves V-Series gives You a 1073/82 3 and 4 band pair of Equalizers which are again quick to work with, I got them in the Waves Studio Classics Collection which I love and use alot. Also a more recent release which is a sweet sounding EQ is the Plug-In Alliance's Maag EQ 6, The high-frequency boost on it is great and has replaced Eiosis's AireQ for special High-Frequency boosting in my toolkit, Again it is pricey opposed to the Stillwell 1973 but definately worth trying out IMveryhumbleHO

Others I like and use include Softube's Passive active pack which is killer on the mid-range areas I find when combined, PSP Audioware sQuad and NobleEQex is a fine selection, Waves Q-Clone which although not immediate it can be just great when stacking up the various captures (and you're own if You have any) and URS CCS Pro 2 which is crammed with many EQ types, Input transforming 'colourizing' algorithms that can change the character of a fairly decent neutral sounding mic pre-amps to sound expensive. Last but no means anywhere near least all of the processors by Herbert/Bootsie/VoS which are a pleasure to work with and dial in

Have fun demoing all that You can and hope You find what You are after, All the best and to everyone else as always

Dean

yea thanks to everyone for all there advice and ideas I am trying everything I can. so far there are so many nice eq's some to be honest almost sound exactly the same as others With that said I like the stillwell ones but have found some very nice smooth sounding EQ's I might just end up saving up and buying a nice bundle

[Dean Aka Nekro]

There is worse things to get hooked on for sure jam92189, If you come across one cheap then Focusrite's disconitued LiquidMix is pretty damned good, I love mine, You can build up Your own 'uber-EQ' band by band, A really good feature and its a shame that McDSP don't have FilterBank available for both MAC and PC as that is really useful for doing the same sort of thing also, If You're on MAC then give it a try...Oh just realized I'm making it worse and totally unintentional dude

Peace

Dean

[jam92189]

There is worse things to get hooked on for sure jam92189, If you come across one cheap then Focusrite's disconitued LiquidMix is pretty damned good, I love mine, You can build up Your own 'uber-EQ' band by band, A really good feature and its a shame that McDSP don't have FilterBank available for both MAC and PC as that is really useful for doing the same sort of thing also, If You're on MAC then give it a try...Oh just realized I'm making it worse and totally unintentional dude

Peace

Dean

haha I know I am a huge advocate to use what you have minimal plugins with as many projects as you can but once I start really knowing my way around a good few I notice how some of those nice colored ones are great for sweetening. one thing I wish I could have is the eq's on sknote stripbus its a very smooth eq to bad there is no real dedicated eq like that.

but I have heard a liquid mix my friend has one in his studio. It was awesome. I wish MC DSP would give us pc users the joy that is them sadly I dont use mac. not because I cant but because I always used pc so if it aint broke dont fix it

[Dean Aka Nekro]

Same here regarding being a PC man, Used to use Mac often but now Im working at home nearly all the time I get its PC and its just what Im used to using more also

[ObiWonder]

The Pultec in T-Racks is a great vintage EQ. We even call it the Vintage Tube Program Equalizer.

if there is a demo of it I will defiantly check them out. what is the crossgrade pricing about is that like if I buy normal and want to upgrade to deluxe?

Demos here:

Vintage Tube Program Equalizer EQP-1A Demo


Or

Full T-RackS 3 Deluxe Demo


Vintage Tube Program Equalizer EQP-1A is a VST/AU/RTAS plugin "Single"
T-RackS 3 Deluxe includes 10 processors and includes both "Singles" versions and a standalone shell application to run them in.

Read more info about them here:
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/t-racks
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/tr ... ngles-gear

Thank I will try them out so far I have a few candidates but am starting to want to just save up and buy like ten of the same thing

Lol, everyone has that issue, its called G.A.S. (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) The best thing to do is try out demos from all the ones your considering and use your ear to pick which sound best.

[jam92189]

The Pultec in T-Racks is a great vintage EQ. We even call it the Vintage Tube Program Equalizer.

if there is a demo of it I will defiantly check them out. what is the crossgrade pricing about is that like if I buy normal and want to upgrade to deluxe?

Demos here:

Vintage Tube Program Equalizer EQP-1A Demo


Or

Full T-RackS 3 Deluxe Demo


Vintage Tube Program Equalizer EQP-1A is a VST/AU/RTAS plugin "Single"
T-RackS 3 Deluxe includes 10 processors and includes both "Singles" versions and a standalone shell application to run them in.

Read more info about them here:
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/t-racks
http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/tr ... ngles-gear

Thank I will try them out so far I have a few candidates but am starting to want to just save up and buy like ten of the same thing

Lol, everyone has that issue, its called G.A.S. (Gear Acquisition Syndrome) The best thing to do is try out demos from all the ones your considering and use your ear to pick which sound best.

I got the bug
Well I broke my glasses on my way back from work at night so this check is fixing what my blind ass broke
but I really liked the IK eq and still like the stillwell ones but really really liked the ren eq from waves I just need to pick one to rool with or maybe even get the top two. its soo hard deciding

[DuX]

I have just this to say: I'm yet to see one EQ that claims to be "vintage" and have no warped *phase* curves at the nyquist frequency. There's just one that does that, that I'm aware of: DMG Audio EQuality in "Analog" mode. Yet, it doesn't look like a vintage EQ. It lacks the simplicity of it. It feels nice and efficient to have fixed frequencies and rotary controls. I don't need any anal-eyesers, I use ears for that... anyway...

Phase response is *EQually* important. for EQ to be more transparent, and especially for transient response. That's why so many digital EQs smear transients, and that doesn't sound nice. They do sound mostly the same [bad], probably because of this, too.

If you ever tried and listen to an analog EQ, you'll know what I'm bitchin' about. Although, I definitely like the noiseless performance of digital ones.

Cheers!

[jam92189]

I have just this to say: I'm yet to see one EQ that claims to be "vintage" and have no warped *phase* curves at the nyquist frequency. There's just one that does that, that I'm aware of: DMG Audio EQuality.

Yet, it doesn't look like a vintage EQ.

Phase response is *EQually* important. for EQ to be more transparent, and especially for transient response. That's why so many digital EQs smear transients, and that doesn't sound nice. They do sound mostly the same, probably because of this, too...

Cheers!

very true but this is also why I put the quotes. I know this things are not perfect but I think of it like why complain when I can spent at max a few hundred for a nice eq plugin, its way more cost effective than buying a super expensive analog one that I would need to maintain all the time and buy some D/A converters and stuff like that.
but at the same time the best analog eq's are not phase accurate ether. some people have really made nice coding on some eqs like the reason why I like the stillwell one is because the high end can be boosted a lot without getting harsh. I will never boost crazy but the option is nice

[DuX]

I absolutely agree, Jam! To be more thorough, I'm actually bitching about not having a simple EQ like, for instance, DDMF 6144, which is a great EQ, claiming to be a classic analog emulation, but the phase response is still like every other digital EQ out there. The frequency response is spot on, though, but that's only one part of the EQuation.

I wish that if they claimed to have made an emulation of the real thing, it would have pretty much the same specs, regarding frequency and phase response both, except for the noise. Actually I don't mind the noise so much, either...

Until that time, it all smells a bit snake oilish to me.

Not to mention the stateful saturation that Bootsie is researching... it's too complex to explain in short, but it's a kind of a memory effect analog devices infuse into the transient response and sound in general. It is smearing of a kind, but it sounds nice. It's not simple real-time saturation that we have in so many plugins. I love his plugins and he's a great guy. I can bet he'll be the first one to make a simple vintage EQ that's really quite close to it, sound wise.

A console EQ with LPF/HPF [6/12/18dB], low and high shelves with Q [steepness in this case], 2 mid bands high and low with Q from 1/4 of an octave to about 4 octaves, is all one should need for mixing. Not a band more. Simple. EQs should be simple, but good sounding, like their hardware counterparts. I mean look at the SSL EQ??

No anal-eyeser please. But the sound should be right.

[jam92189]

I absolutely agree, Jam! To be more thorough, I'm actually bitching about not having a simple EQ like, for instance, DDMF 6144, which is a great EQ, claiming to be a classic analog emulation, but the phase response is still like every other digital EQ out there. The frequency response is spot on, though, but that's only one part of the EQuation.

I wish that if they claimed to have made an emulation of the real thing, it would have pretty much the same specs, regarding frequency and phase response both, except for the noise. Actually I don't mind the noise so much, either...

ha yea I hear that. I noticed that I have used some hardware eqs some digital eqs sound pretty good but not quite there.

[DuX]

I'm used to console EQs, and even 3 band EQ can be more than enough in most cases... when I see these 10 band digital EQs I cringe. What the hell do you need so many bands for??? It makes the phase response hell, transient response hell, ringing artefacts appear... yuuuk. 3-4 bands for mixing, but good ones should be enough for everybody. I'm yet to find such ITB EQ. DDMF got close, Sonimus and Bootsie, too. It's interesting that I'm not talking about very expensive plugins here, don't you think?

It's because they're all rubbish. The expensive ones. All snake oil. All you get is the name, brand, and nothing else. Your mind is used to perceive an expensive plugin to sound good, that's all. ;P There are some good ones, but nothing as special as they want you to think. Like Waves ones, for example. Completely average EQs. Not worth your hard earned dough.

Especially since there's Sonimus, Bootsie and DDMF EQs.

[Orchidius]

Besides the already mentioned 6144 I strongly recommend trying out de la mancha's QB-3. It really is perplexing what you can get out of this eq. I'd even go so far as to say that it's more some sort of an exciter than an eq because of it's colorisation...totally in love with it.

[jam92189]

I'm used to console EQs, and even 3 band EQ can be more than enough in most cases... when I see these 10 band digital EQs I cringe. What the hell do you need so many bands for??? It makes the phase response hell, transient response hell, ringing artefacts appear... yuuuk. 3-4 bands for mixing, but good ones should be enough for everybody. I'm yet to find such ITB EQ. DDMF got close, Sonimus and Bootsie, too. It's interesting that I'm not talking about very expensive plugins here, don't you think?

It's because they're all rubbish. The expensive ones. All snake oil. All you get is the name, brand, and nothing else. Your mind is used to perceive an expensive plugin to sound good, that's all. ;P There are some good ones, but nothing as special as they want you to think. Like Waves ones, for example. Completely average EQs. Not worth your hard earned dough.

Especially since there's Sonimus, Bootsie and DDMF EQs.

I totally agree. when I use a eq for mixing I usually just get a clean eq do a cut or two and a high pass and i get what I want sometimes I even come back and make the small changes smaller. yea alot of these cheeper EQ's are super nice alot of my plugins that I go for are not the ones that look the best or have the big name. I think alot of the big price tags are just a name and a super fancy GUI.
the only problem I come across is that I am often sent tracks that are not recorded with the get it right at the source mind set it drives me crazy
but yes I agree smaller effects brands seem to really just take more time to focuse on there few good things rather than making a re-skin of the same thing and slapping a nice price tag then moving on.

[Fred_Abstract]

I have just this to say: I'm yet to see one EQ that claims to be "vintage" and have no warped *phase* curves at the nyquist frequency. There's just one that does that, that I'm aware of: DMG Audio EQuality in "Analog" mode. Yet, it doesn't look like a vintage EQ. It lacks the simplicity of it. It feels nice and efficient to have fixed frequencies and rotary controls. I don't need any anal-eyesers, I use ears for that... anyway...

Phase response is *EQually* important. for EQ to be more transparent, and especially for transient response. That's why so many digital EQs smear transients, and that doesn't sound nice. They do sound mostly the same [bad], probably because of this, too.

If you ever tried and listen to an analog EQ, you'll know what I'm bitchin' about. Although, I definitely like the noiseless performance of digital ones.

Cheers!

i could be wrong but i think it s not the only one, psp squad if i m right and a few others ,anyway how the phase is around nyquist i couldn't care less it surely not what make me like some analog eq