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Ciberithm · Post by **Ciberithm** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:16 pm

The only downside I have found is MIDI routing. It can be tricky, if not impossible, to use tools like CableGuys MIDI shaper, or LFOTool. For everything else, it is really intuitive and effective.

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:23 pm

dmaestas wrote:The only downside I have found is MIDI routing. It can be tricky, if not impossible, to use tools like CableGuys MIDI shaper, or LFOTool. For everything else, it is really intuitive and effective.

In Live I just put LFOTool as an insert on the track I need it on. S1 is different? I'll have a play.

Ciberithm · Post by **Ciberithm** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:29 pm

samsam wrote:
dmaestas wrote:The only downside I have found is MIDI routing. It can be tricky, if not impossible, to use tools like CableGuys MIDI shaper, or LFOTool. For everything else, it is really intuitive and effective.
In Live I just put LFOTool as an insert on the track I need it on. S1 is different? I'll have a play.

That's the way the filtering works with LFO tool. The issue is if you want to send MIDI CC to a VST instrument. You have to set midi input for the instrument track to "LFOTool", but then you can't use MIDI to control LFOTool. You can use these types of tools, it's just limited functionality.

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:37 pm

^ Ah, OK, I see.

Well, up til now I've only ever done the basics with LFOTool in Live so I guess that's what I'd stick to.

Ciberithm · Post by **Ciberithm** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 4:49 pm

I think Studio One is a great DAW. I use Live and S1, and they compliment each other quite well.

progtronic · Post by **progtronic** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:09 pm

I switched to S1 2 pro (from Sonar) several months ago. The stability and smooth/easy workflow were the deciding factors.

I've read about a lot of issues on the Mac side though (crashing, corrupted save files, etc..). I've had no problems on Win 7.. very solid.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:37 pm

dmaestas wrote:The only downside I have found is MIDI routing. It can be tricky, if not impossible, to use tools like CableGuys MIDI shaper, or LFOTool. For everything else, it is really intuitive and effective.

Load a MUX then put your VSTs inside it and then you can modulate them as you wish with LFO, etc.
That simple.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:44 pm

liquidsound wrote:
dmaestas wrote:The only downside I have found is MIDI routing. It can be tricky, if not impossible, to use tools like CableGuys MIDI shaper, or LFOTool. For everything else, it is really intuitive and effective.
Load a MUX then put your VSTs inside it and then you can modulate them as you wish with LFO, etc.
That simple.

I'm downloading the public test version, I wonder what the plugin will cost. One thing that bugs me about Studio One isn't that midi vst plugins don't work (they do from my experience, just takes two tracks and both tracks need to be armed) it is just clumsy. I just got a nanoKontrol2 and when you move a fader it record enables the track you just used, and if your track is getting midi from somewhere else it causes the send track to go off record enable state and stop being active. I think MUX should solve that, providing everything can be patched up properly. Other similar plugins I have tried were confusing or couldn't do this properly.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:43 am

I just tried MUX and it really fixes what ails Studio One

So now I can have proper routing as I would expect in 2012 without waiting for Presonus to implement it. I'm very pleased and provided I don't find major bugs I will be buying it when it is released. Unless someone has a better suggestion for the same functionality I guess. Anyhow, it sure plugs a hole in my boat.

Ciberithm · Post by **Ciberithm** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 1:54 am

liquidsound wrote:
dmaestas wrote:The only downside I have found is MIDI routing. It can be tricky, if not impossible, to use tools like CableGuys MIDI shaper, or LFOTool. For everything else, it is really intuitive and effective.
Load a MUX then put your VSTs inside it and then you can modulate them as you wish with LFO, etc.
That simple.

Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:14 am

Oh well, when trying to create a MUX with Diva S1 crashed. I don't know if it is just my machine though and I'm getting a new one soon. It has been acting up a lot lately.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:58 am

braj wrote:Oh well, when trying to create a MUX with Diva S1 crashed. I don't know if it is just my machine though and I'm getting a new one soon. It has been acting up a lot lately.

The best thing is to report to Jo, the developer. He never miss a fix if it has to do with MUTOOLS products. Sometimes the fix is immediate.

Remember that you have in the MUX tools like SuperModulator and you can map any parameters to the knobs.
The sub levels are endless and if you look for the internal modules you'll find amazing tools to build a lot of stuff.
Check out the drum module with layers etc.

The MUX is extremely powerful but little known yet among musicians. When the final version will come out it will change the way we use our VST forever. You can get very close to what you can do in Reason RE already. Less in one aspect but much more in another.

It's very deep and it will take time and exploration for anyone to really get it.
Now you know why I use MuLab.

twoifbysea · Post by **twoifbysea** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:09 am

dmaestas wrote:I think Studio One is a great DAW. I use Live and S1, and they compliment each other quite well.

Agreed, especially now that Live is x64. I can finally rewire.

braj · Post by **braj** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:03 am

liquidsound wrote:
braj wrote:Oh well, when trying to create a MUX with Diva S1 crashed. I don't know if it is just my machine though and I'm getting a new one soon. It has been acting up a lot lately.
The best thing is to report to Jo, the developer. He never miss a fix if it has to do with MUTOOLS products. Sometimes the fix is immediate.

Remember that you have in the MUX tools like SuperModulator and you can map any parameters to the knobs.
The sub levels are endless and if you look for the internal modules you'll find amazing tools to build a lot of stuff.
Check out the drum module with layers etc.

The MUX is extremely powerful but little known yet among musicians. When the final version will come out it will change the way we use our VST forever. You can get very close to what you can do in Reason RE already. Less in one aspect but much more in another.

It's very deep and it will take time and exploration for anyone to really get it.
Now you know why I use MuLab.

Well I rebooted and it seems ok now. One downside I can see though is you lose the very easy S1 controller mapping to any included plugins, and when I try and manually configure them in MUX it doesn't seem to work. How do you do this properly? Is there an easier way beyond selecting the proper parameters from a list?

samsam · Post by **samsam** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 4:09 am

Shame that this MUX is Windows only.

Studio One 2 Pro - any thoughts?