Used sales of reason are SO high, it is time for props to take notice - serious topic, LONG post

[headquest]

well i succumbed and bought a couple i thought were essential that i couldn't get the sound of any other way

FET, TSAR (full), Synapse CHORUS, ETCH, BUFFRE (so easy to use), POLAR (best way to get a doubled vocal no doubt)

i will absolutely not budge and buy any more no way, like what i already just did is not bad enough

So you said YES to developers who break the law! (or whatever that sig used to say!)

So after all that, by my calculation you just spent 328 Euros on Re products that you can't sell, transfer, etc. You obviously have a lot more spare cash knocking about than I do in these recession hit days!

So anyway, I really hope you enjoy and keep enjoying them, and that you now feel Reason is now complete with everything you want/need

[Richard_Synapse]

Are the synapse FX straight ports out of orion 8.5 such as the new Vintage EQ and Chorus, or are they different?

if they are that's VERY cheeky to charge that much.

4 effects for the entire cost of orion or close enough too. anyway....

sorry to go OT in my own topic, but i feel since there have been a lot of complaints about prices of RE on other boards this is actually a valid one.

They aren't ports (except the Vintage EQ, and that one has been extended too). It's new developments, in case of the RM there's not even anything comparable in VST form to my knowledge.

The only thing we'd consider porting from Orion is the Pro-9, otherwise whatever we release as Rack Extension will be new, unique, and tailored to Reason (and even the Pro-9 would need changes to accomodate CVs etc.). Of course, it's more than likely that this stuff will find its way to Orion or VST plugins because it's much better than the old stuff

Richard

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[Goseba]

Hey ttoz, how wet will you get when you Rewire Reason in to Logic?

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[headquest]

I genuinely hope you continue to enjoy it all ttoz, seriously

You've made an investment there - the cost of Reason, quite a fair few Refills by the sounds of it (I believe you can't transfer/sell those by the way), and the Re.

Totally agree about the multiband by the way. A major omission. Even better if it includes multiband limiting.

For me I always felt that Reason would also benefit from better Guitar effects (the cut-down included Line 6 ones + scream really didn't do too well when I tried to use Record for my son's band...way behind the VST alternatives).

And a convolution reverb...
Also a decent EQ where you can drag the nodes around, do linear phase, M/S, L/R (without a stupid waste of time wiring round the back) ...
And a spectrum analyser remains, for me, a very useful tool indeed...
Noise reduction and hiss removal are also pretty useful. When I record my acoustic piano I usually use Audition to do that, but with Reason it means first bouncing out the individual mixer channel, and then replacing the audio file later, which is quite a time killer.

Maybe some future Re products will start to fill those gaps

[FaX]

Malström is not a Ring Mod, there is no other true Ring Mod except for Kong in Reason (of the stock devices). Malström uses AM which is also a form of signal multiplication but there are differences. On a RM only the sum and differences of the two signals are heard. On AM the original signals are also present.

You can also do AM with the Pulveriser, that LFO goes well up into audio range (12 Khz).

I think that perhaps you need to be a tinkerer or modular head to fully appreciate a full on Ring Mod that allows you to use both X and Y inputs, because Ring Modulation is not only about modulating audio or to create the "Dalek" effect.

For instance you could use Ring Modulation to multiply two CV signals to create interesting modulation.

Also regarding price, see my post again on the Bomb Factory Moogerfooger bundle. $599 USD for 4 pedals (where one is the RM).

But sure, it's up to people to decide if it's worth it to them. I agree that is's a niche effect that will probably only be interesting to a few people.

funny bit is i never seem to hear released music using the classic Rm sound.. i wonder if it is a fancy effect we all love to have but never actually use?

p.s kong is not the only way to do RM in reason without the synapse.. i have gone through the combi insert fx patches and the maelstron can be used as well.

And exode i just will NOT spend $80 on a ring modulator. It is not an effect i use often enough to care.

$80 is something i have to think about for effects that do alot more than an RM.

I have never seen a ring modulator for this outrageous amount of money in ANY format, ever, since the history of plugins.

I have seen them in $80 multifx that do alot more, but never a one trick pony RM for $80 in vst /au / land.

Richard is wrong in this case and it's that simple and people will vote with their wallet. the price is out of this world.

TBH i would still have to think about it at $25

The Chorus is indeed superb as is the Filter but the Ring Mod is Fantastic and the AM in slope mode is just wonderfully subtle as an effect too I might add, but it absolutely craps in the Ring Mod in Kong IMHO and the ability to ring modulate different signals is what I have been looking for - been really surprised many guitarists have overlooked this one as it's not that uncommon a processing effect on guitar for example - it's great for adding subtle dirt to drums and odd percussion noises too.

[saturdaysaint]

well i succumbed and bought a couple i thought were essential that i couldn't get the sound of any other way

FET, TSAR (full), Synapse CHORUS, ETCH, BUFFRE (so easy to use), POLAR (best way to get a doubled vocal no doubt)

i will absolutely not budge and buy any more no way, like what i already just did is not bad enough

I also need a multiband comp without 8 million routing workarounds, i.e i want a multiband comp with solo per band and all in one interface, zero latency, and a proper deesser, and i will be happy. that will complete reason for me.

Once you come to grips with the (poorly named) Stereo Imager, which is a fantastic crossover, your multiband effects needs will be taken care of. It's really a waste of that lovely FET to only use it in single-band mode! Like many things in Reason, the band splitting looks fiddly at first, but after a few goes, it's second nature. When I see a 6 input mixer and a stack of Stereo Imagers, I know I'm dealing with a multiband effect.

I rolled my own dynamic EQ de-esser - I've got it in my go-to lead vocal Combinator, so an RE wouldn't add much. I love that I'll be able to experiment with the EQ and compression algorithms as my RE collection grows.

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[Trakstar]

please share deesser and it will allow me to study routing too

You do really need to get out more, you can have all my old combi fx if you like them that much, Ive compiled quite a few since reason 3 if you like, I even did a few UAD combinator skins but they are only for home use due to copyright and all that, they look pretty good though

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[drez]

Once you come to grips with the (poorly named) Stereo Imager, which is a fantastic crossover, your multiband effects needs will be taken care of. It's really a waste of that lovely FET to only use it in single-band mode! Like many things in Reason, the band splitting looks fiddly at first, but after a few goes, it's second nature. When I see a 6 input mixer and a stack of Stereo Imagers, I know I'm dealing with a multiband effect.

I rolled my own dynamic EQ de-esser - I've got it in my go-to lead vocal Combinator, so an RE wouldn't add much. I love that I'll be able to experiment with the EQ and compression algorithms as my RE collection grows.

I'd love to see that preset as well! I hadn't thought of that setup.

[Trakstar]

where can i go? if it's any consolation i have a full day today with doctors,then tomorrow i am going to the post office to send some stuff to buyers.

there you go

can i pm you to get the stuff? thanks trakstar

Ill get them of my hard drive tomorrow and send you a PM, there is quite a lot of stuff and you can have all my malstrom presets and stuff. Ill go and get them tomorrow because they are at my flat and let you know as soon as. They are just gathering dust so someone might as well have them.

In fact there is some really good preset combinator instrument and synth patches I made, because its all I used to do at one point so Ill see what i find when i dig through them all

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[FaX]

i got beyond dry.... logic has no 64 bit rewire but it gets worse.. it puts EVERYTHING from reason on one thread.. no matter how many outputs or busses you use:(

it's interesting to see just how long it takes reason to jam a thread (about 8 thors running full tilt on a 2.2 quad laptop)

but it does happen.

The bouncing Options are so good in Reason and easy to use that I wouldn't even bother - i know I don't.
I just render out what I have done as audio stems and drag them straight into a new Logic project and go from there.
That said I am working on a mix down of a Reason track in Logic and I would give my left and right testicles for Valhalla Shimmer and Room as Rack extensions. TSAR-1 is great and the REV7000 is quite flexible but Logic's Delay Designer, Space Designer and these two Reverbs are the shit - the sounds I can get from Malstrom and Thor with Valhalla Shimmer and Room are just stunning.