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Bonteburg · Post by **Bonteburg** » Thu Feb 16, 2012 4:40 pm

I kind of think MU.LAB with the whole modular thing is better than Muzys. Sure there isn't the playroom. I never used it much so I guess it's a matter of preference that I don't miss it that much.

Muzynth in Muzys 3 was rather simpler to use than the current MU.LAB sound generation paradigm, but MU.LAB goes much deeper.

Then there's audio recording and ogg support. Especially the latter makes handling long soundfiles a breeze (in the sampler).

Marco

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:04 pm

Trancit wrote:
...and a developer, who does his job very very well...
You name a bug...how long do you wait for a fix for energyXT or Reason??? Months??? Years??? Does it ever happen???
From my personal experience with Jo, I've waited often a few hours, if he was busy perhaps max. 2 days, sometimes even with feature requests...
This is a support, how it should be!

A little proove of what I said here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 99#4834799

...the last 5-6 postings

Z3R0T0N1N · Post by **Z3R0T0N1N** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 6:55 pm

mutools wrote:
mrdr wrote:
liquidsound wrote: Here at least the reincarnation is far better and with a more wide future. MuLab really rocks. The modular aspect is very deep!
Really? So, where is Loop Composer and Playroom? There is maybe 2/3 functionality of Muzys, only Modular (don't know what its name is for now) is more advanced than Muzynth
I don't agree. There are many aspects where MuLab has surpassed Muzys by far.

About the Loop Composer and Playroom: Yes still very interesting concepts, and i want them back too, got detailed notes about that on the wishlist. If they're reincarnated, it will be in a 'next generation' version. The ideas/concepts are growing step by step.

That is truly excellent! love the playroom.

Actually I love the built-in sample player too, kinda' like FL studio. It's such a quick and intuitive way to make music for me, I'm really surprised that FL and Muzys are the only ones (besides trackers) which work like that.

Anyway, super cool news.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Sun Feb 19, 2012 7:20 pm

One of the reasons I still use Live beside MuLab is the sampler, a truly unique tool.
I'm trying to see if I can assemble something similar in MuLab but I need FM modulation to really recreate it.
This is what I see in sampler but I'm not skillful enaugh to understand the whole thing yet,
But yes, the samples and the MultiSampla are great especially when combined in the MUX.
MuLab can easly get endless thanks to the modular capability.

Zoned · Post by **Zoned** » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:11 am

But seriously - who could ever need more than Muzys? What sequencer will ever be a greater freeware institution than that marvellous antique - but still going strong! (It was, of course, Computer Music magazine's baby / entry level platform for the best part of 10 years and they placed it monthly on every newsagent shelf across the land!)

I'm still discovering its hidden depths even now: *WaveLab - create program and part!* *Preparation of perfect sampler loops with glitchless 100% crossfades and phase correction using the onboard gain envelopes [shortcut D,G - right guys!!]* *Sequence menu - change notes into midi controllers! (the mind boggles!)* etc etc etc

Load it up with a sampler (which would be the DS404 I believe - don't get me started!) a decent freeware reverb and a handful of other free Vst gems and the creative possibilities are (approximately) infinity x infinity x infinity x infinity, and I'm not even kidding! Ü

Love/hugs, Zoned xxx

lingyai · Post by **lingyai** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:55 pm

I'm tempted but I would like to ask from people with experience using version 4 -- are there any really important things where it simply fails? By important I mean

-- generic sequencer tasks: the basics which anything calling itself a multitrack audio and midi sequencer in this day and age sould be able to do -- recording, editing, rendering, etc. (I leave routing off the list because I get the feeling MuLab 4 has it covered prettyy well)

-- stability

-- accepting VSTis or VST FX -- are there any which MULab just "doesn't like"?

-- the ability to easily create and edit fully custom-shaped volume, pan and other envelopes for any automatable VST parameter (I use them a hell of a lot);

-- the ablity to deal with midi data routing from, say, silent VSTi arps (e.g. Catanya) to voiced VSTis.

Incidentally, I'm only focusing on these negatives in my question because I'm nearing the end of my long divorce from Sony Acid Pro 7 (which I still dearly love for the intuitive workflow -- the views, the ease of dealing with vstis, routing and fx application -- just so easy) and am looking for a new mainstay DAW. From what I've read, Studio 1 sounds like the best for me workflow-wise, but people point out it is still not quite there; and I'd be happy to avoid the learning curves of Reaper or Cubase 6.5 if I can get away with it. Maybe MuLab is for me. I I'd be grateful for anyone's thoughts.

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:45 pm

You can try most of that, of course, in the free version. Short answers: IMO yes; see below; see below; IIRC yes; IIRC yes

. However, I don't do a lot with it...

Stability: MuLab 4.2 hasn't needed any fixes since the 4.3 line came out (that's the new one with 64bit support on Windows). Adding the 64bit version doesn't appear to have introduced any significant issues for me in 4.3, either, nor has splitting MuX into a separate VST. I'd say that shows a generally high-quality design to accommodate that level of change in a very short period of time.

VST/VSTi issues - You might want to check the MuTools forum for these: there have been a few but, in several cases, this has proved not specific to MuLab/MuX. Not that it's much help if you want to use that plugin, so it's worth searching the forum for specifics (or asking).

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 8:55 pm

just in case I missed it, mulab does NOT offer multicore support.......right?

angelremington · Post by **angelremington** » Sat Jul 21, 2012 11:47 pm

I got the demo installed and I am sort of interested to buy it but there's still few things that i can't figure out how to do etc or maybe it is a limitation.
It is very annoying whenyou have few tracks with VSTi instruments and when you play your MIDI keyboard it is always the same instrument playing, regardless of what track / vsti you select... extremely annoying, took a while how to figure out to change to another... going through the menu etc... but that's not the way i like to work, i am used to and expect when you change / select a track to have that one playing. I've been using reason for few years, now i switched to studio one v2 - i love it and that behaves as it should, also got orion and that is not far from what i am used to, checked out reaper that is the opposite of mulab...
regardless what track you select.... all the instruments are playing at once when you play MI\dI keyboard... weird...
But yes I'd be definitely interested in getting MULAB as well if i can get past that thing... there were couple other things that were a bit weird or different but i can try to figure it out or get used to it but that thing with the same instrument play all the time when you click on different tracks i hate it...
Can someone who is using it and is experienced with it explain it to me or the guy from MUtools maybe, i'll do a\ bit more evaluation when i get a chance and most likely buy it if i can get comfortable with it and i can use it the way i like it.

thanks and regards

pljones · Post by **pljones** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:38 am

angelremington wrote:It is very annoying whenyou have few tracks with VSTi instruments and when you play your MIDI keyboard it is always the same instrument playing, regardless of what track / vsti you select... extremely annoying, took a while how to figure out to change to another... going through the menu etc... but that's not the way i like to work, i am used to and expect when you change / select a track to have that one playing. I've been using reason for few years, now i switched to studio one v2 - i love it and that behaves as it should, also got orion and that is not far from what i am used to, checked out reaper that is the opposite of mulab... regardless what track you select.... all the instruments are playing at once when you play MI\dI keyboard... weird..

MuLab's MIDI input follows "focus" by default. If you turn this off, with "Toggle Automatic Manual MIDI Input Focus", or if you want particular MIDI channels fixed, then you can set this up through "Edit MIDI Input Channel Targets". You'd need to provide more details on what you did for me to get an idea of why you got that effect.

hibidy wrote:just in case I missed it, mulab does NOT offer multicore support.......right?

Not yet. It's top of the list for MuLab 5, apparently. Getting the 64bit MuLab4.3 was a bit of a surprise, we thought multi-core would be next. I guess also getting the 64bit re-write for MacOS will be in MuLab5.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 6:44 am

Thanks for the answer. A tad bummed, when I saw it was x64 now it was like

Still, I might demo it anyways

It's not like many of the "multicore" hosts are really efficient anyways

(except reaper, and I'm kinda over reaper)

Moe Shinola · Post by **Moe Shinola** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 7:40 am

This is a very good conversation. MuLab has peaked my interest. I may have to demo...

angelremington · Post by **angelremington** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 8:31 am

pljones wrote:
angelremington wrote:It is very annoying whenyou have few tracks with VSTi instruments and when you play your MIDI keyboard it is always the same instrument playing, regardless of what track / vsti you select... extremely annoying, took a while how to figure out to change to another... going through the menu etc... but that's not the way i like to work, i am used to and expect when you change / select a track to have that one playing. I've been using reason for few years, now i switched to studio one v2 - i love it and that behaves as it should, also got orion and that is not far from what i am used to, checked out reaper that is the opposite of mulab... regardless what track you select.... all the instruments are playing at once when you play MI\dI keyboard... weird..
MuLab's MIDI input follows "focus" by default. If you turn this off, with "Toggle Automatic Manual MIDI Input Focus", or if you want particular MIDI channels fixed, then you can set this up through "Edit MIDI Input Channel Targets". You'd need to provide more details on what you did for me to get an idea of why you got that effect.
hibidy wrote:just in case I missed it, mulab does NOT offer multicore support.......right?
Not yet. It's top of the list for MuLab 5, apparently. Getting the 64bit MuLab4.3 was a bit of a surprise, we thought multi-core would be next. I guess also getting the 64bit re-write for MacOS will be in MuLab5.

Thx... mistery solved... or maybe not solved but it is working now... have no idea what i've done different this trime compared to last time, but just started new session and is working and behaving as it should, but i also just discovered it doesn't run my 32 bit plugins just the 64bit - same as my studio one... I am wondering if it is going to be addressed in near future...

Well will do more testing with it... jury is still out;)

MuTools · Post by **MuTools** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 12:23 pm

angelremington wrote:i also just discovered it doesn't run my 32 bit plugins just the 64bit - same as my studio one... I am wondering if it is going to be addressed in near future.

Note that a 64 bit app cannot directly use 32 bit plugins, that applies for all 64 bit apps. But you can use jBridge to bypass that. See http://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/

lingyai · Post by **lingyai** » Sun Jul 22, 2012 1:06 pm

mutools wrote:
angelremington wrote:i also just discovered it doesn't run my 32 bit plugins just the 64bit - same as my studio one... I am wondering if it is going to be addressed in near future.
Note that a 64 bit app cannot directly use 32 bit plugins, that applies for all 64 bit apps. But you can use jBridge to bypass that. See http://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/

Whoa, whoa... is this to say there is no 32 bit version of MuLab 4? I'm on 32 bit.
So...if I want to use all my plugins with MuLab 4, I either need to run J-bridge, or need 64 bit versions of all my VSTis and VST fx?

I have not used jbridge, as I'm not that technical and jbridge's owb troubleshooting section

http://jstuff.wordpress.com/jbridge/jbr ... eshooting/

makes me concerned that when it could get messy -- especially if the steps taken to troubleshoot cause new problems elsewhere...

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