Arturia V Collection 3

[Uncle E]

Hm, maybe I haven't figured out how to do that. It appears you can only select presets from the individual instruments, not a mix n' match approach (Oberheim oscillators and Prophet filter, etc). I think only Origin does that.

Yes, you're right. My apologies. I guess it was wishful thinking on my part that had me read it wrong.

[Torchlight]

And I just bought the Oberheim separately recently. Now I've upgraded from the last V collection to this one. Oh well, maybe I can sell the other Oberheim license since I haven't registered it with Arturia yet (bought it second-hand on KVR). If anyone wants a cheap Oberheim, let me know.

EDIT: Does anyone happen to know if it is possible to sell an Arturia license you have only installed on the software eLicenser but not registered with Arturia? The remove option doesn't seem to work. Can it only be moved to a hardware dongle?

It's possible to sell any Arturia license at any time. If you haven't registered it, then there's nothing that needs to be done at all. Otherwise, you'd just email support and ask them to deregister the serial number. The license, however, is yours to do with as you please. If you can get it to another person's computer, sell away. I'm actually planning on doing the same thing, since the V3 upgrade is only $69.

But how can I get it off my computer to a prospective buyer's computer? Since there's no delete option, it seems I would have to move it to a hardware dongle, or am I missing something?

[masterhiggins]

So - the deal (for me anyway) - is $99 for the V Collection 3.0 Download version AND -- in bold highlighted lettering--
Please note that by upgrading to the V Collection 3, you won't be allowed to unregister and resell your former licenses that are now a part of the V Collection 3

j

Easy.

Register the bundle to a different account. Problem solved.

[jsp1979]

I'm not sure that will work.

It might be an upgrade serial that depends on previous products being installed perhaps. For example, the NI upgrade serials won't authorize if the qualifying product is not installed.

[masterhiggins]

It might be an upgrade serial that depends on previous products being installed perhaps.

It's not. I just checked. Created a dummy Arturia account with a different browser (Same IP, yeah, but cookies aren't saved, so I know it's a different account). Copied and pasted the coupon into the empty account and it applied the discount. I just have to enter my credit card info.

[ChiTown24]

it would be very handy to know what discount rates are given for owning what amount of synths/licenses

you gotta own three for the $99 voucher, or is it four ?

So - the deal (for me anyway) - is $99 for the V Collection 3.0 Download version AND -- in bold highlighted lettering--
Please note that by upgrading to the V Collection 3, you won't be allowed to unregister and resell your former licenses that are now a part of the V Collection 3

j

Easy.

Register the bundle to a different account. Problem solved.

when you use the voucher to purchase the bundle, the license/codes etc go to the account that the voucher was generated from. unless i'm mistaken!

when you upgrade {to a bundle or upgraded version of a synth} it is standard practice that the license you upgraded from isn't available for Resale and/or becomes bound to the new license. and so must be sold with, or as part of, the newer upgraded/bundle license.

not sure why it needs pointing out, hasn't that been the way with audio software all this time ?

[ChiTown24]

It might be an upgrade serial that depends on previous products being installed perhaps.

It's not. I just checked. Created a dummy Arturia account with a different browser (Same IP, yeah, but cookies aren't saved, so I know it's a different account). Copied and pasted the coupon into the empty account and it applied the discount. I just have to enter my credit card info.

thats well and good, but what would the point be in doing it that way ?
seems the only purpose that would serve would be to breach the EULA

[masterhiggins]

when you upgrade {to a bundle or upgraded version of a synth} it is standard practice that the license you upgraded from isn't available for Resale and/or becomes bound to the new license. and so must be sold with, or as part of, the newer upgraded/bundle license.

not sure why it needs pointing out, hasn't that been the way with audio software all this time ?

It's hard to know exactly which synths count as the upgrade. I've heard owners of a single plugin get the same $99 voucher that everyone else gets that own several. I seriously doubt they took into consideration everyone's total numbers of synths currently owned. Otherwise, my bundle upgrade price would be about $10. So, in theory, we should be able to ask them which synths they took into consideration when the coupon was sent, and we can take the others and unregister them. Of course, I'll bet you $99 that 100% of the time they're going to say, "oh....yeah...um....yeah it's for All of 'em."

I think it's as simple as a $300 discount coupon that can be applied. It's not rocket science.

[masterhiggins]

thats well and good, but what would the point be in doing it that way ?
seems the only purpose that would serve would be to breach the EULA

I read the EULA's "no unbundling" policy. It states:


7. No Unbundling
• The software usually contains a variety of different files which in its configuration ensure the complete functionality of the software. The software may be used as one product only. It is not required that you use or install all components of the software. You must not arrange components of the software in a new way and develop a modified version of the software or a new product as a result. The configuration of the software may not be modified for the purpose of distribution, assignment or resale.
• You may also not sell the eLicenser dongle separately as a license; the usage rights always remain with the software, in particular with the original software data carrier (e.g. CD).

It indicates the "configuration of the software may not be modified for the purpose of distribution."

The software is not being modified. It's being sold as-is. Modifying a bundle would require serious cracking skills. You'd merely be selling it as is. That in no way "modifies" the software. Also, the previous instruments that you own are also unmodified as they still operate on their own serial numbers, unlock codes, authorizations, etc.

[donato]

when you upgrade {to a bundle or upgraded version of a synth} it is standard practice that the license you upgraded from isn't available for Resale and/or becomes bound to the new license. and so must be sold with, or as part of, the newer upgraded/bundle license.

not sure why it needs pointing out, hasn't that been the way with audio software all this time ?

It's hard to know exactly which synths count as the upgrade. I've heard owners of a single plugin get the same $99 voucher that everyone else gets that own several. I seriously doubt they took into consideration everyone's total numbers of synths currently owned. Otherwise, my bundle upgrade price would be about $10. So, in theory, we should be able to ask them which synths they took into consideration when the coupon was sent, and we can take the others and unregister them. Of course, I'll bet you $99 that 100% of the time they're going to say, "oh....yeah...um....yeah it's for All of 'em."

I think it's as simple as a $300 discount coupon that can be applied. It's not rocket science.

I checked my account- I only have the SEM which I bought about a month ago (when they slashed prices), and the upgrade coupon for me is 249 euros. So, I think they obviously take into account how many you own. And no, I'm not upgrading

[masterhiggins]

I checked my account- I only have the SEM which I bought about a month ago (when they slashed prices), and the upgrade coupon for me is 249 euros. So, I think they obviously take into account how many you own. And no, I'm not upgrading

Oh. My mistake. I thought everyone got the same discount. Interesting. I wonder why they even sent me one then. I already have all of them. So I'd just be paying $100 to get them permanently glued together? Brilliant. :/

They just just do it like Applied Acoustics does upgrades. Enter however many serial numbers you want to get the upgrade price you want. Then they just authorize whichever instruments you don't own. That would prevent a lot of confusion.

[ChiTown24]

@masterhiggins

but the voucher you intend on using was given with the clear, bold disclaimer that you are binding your existing licenses to the V3 Bundle license in using the voucher.

what you are discussing here is abusing a failing in their website to lock the voucher to the account it was sent to. Just because you have discovered it is possible, doesn't mean it is right, allowed or legal.

also the piece you quoted seems to be about the system files that go towards making an individual synth ? basically the piece you quoted seems to be about modifying the code & files that make each synth.

i'm talking about licenses, not code. it's normal that upgrading from an older license to a newer one or a bundle binds the two licenses together. thus they are re-sold as one unit, or in some cases you can sell from the top down but never from the bottom up. for example in the case of Ableton if you upgrade live from 4 -> 5 you can sell the two licenses together, or the live 4->5 upgrade, but you can't sell live 4 whilst continuing to own & use the live 5 upgrade. not legally anyway. in ten+ years of buying computer software i've never encountered it any other way

am i missing something here ?

[masterhiggins]

@masterhiggins

but the voucher you intend on using was given with the clear, bold disclaimer that you are binding your existing licenses to the V3 Bundle license in using the voucher.

Where does it say that? It says:

Please note that by upgrading to the V Collection 3, you won't be allowed to unregister and resell your former licenses that are now a part of the V Collection 3

That means I can't sell the former licenses that are now part of the V Collection 3. It says nothing about reselling the V Collection 3 itself.

I'm just saying, they've left some room for loopholes.

[ChiTown24]

@masterhiggins

but the voucher you intend on using was given with the clear, bold disclaimer that you are binding your existing licenses to the V3 Bundle license in using the voucher.

Where does it say that? It says:

Please note that by upgrading to the V Collection 3, you won't be allowed to unregister and resell your former licenses that are now a part of the V Collection 3

That means I can't sell the former licenses that are now part of the V Collection 3. It says nothing about reselling the V Collection 3 itself.

I'm just saying, they've left some room for loopholes.

it's a custom voucher code sent to your personal arturia account, where your existing registration/license information for all other arturia products owned is stored. it says that by using the voucher you are upgrading to the V3 collection. there is no ambiguity there. you are not buying the V3 collection separately, you are upgrading to it.

So, of course you can sell the V3 collection. But you won't, as you seem to be inferring, get to keep using the synths/licenses that you upgraded from. not legally.

[ATS]

I only own Analog Factory and my upgrade is $249. No way I can resist that. What is that, $25 per synth?