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Nanokontrol works just like I expected just wished the fader sliders were just a tad taller..

I mapped the vibrato to one of the buttons and it works as expected since it's not a velocity button.

Today or tomorrow I gotta get Windows 7 on the new system

so it's coming along albeit slowly lol this Sunday I hope to do a test instead of 4 nights of wondering if it's going to be ok or not.

I had to cut a lot of extra stuff out right now due to cost since if I just had one more week I would be ok I wanted to get some brown, black and white labels to label which slider does which drawbar (I like things to be perfected) and I'm going to have to take a SATA drive out of my desktop because the price shot up and I wanted to get my SSD and 320 GB 2.5" drive at the same time.

I was going to run a dual direct box to the mixer but that can wait too.
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Wow.

I think I'd just get a Mojo!

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haha would be nice but unless some money falls from the sky my setup will have to do.
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I'm on the new system and run into a little snag.. I've got both the Akai and Korg hooked up In Forte My Akai is controlling all the knob settings which is fine but the korg is not doing anything but it's showing as being enabled in the menu.

Oh wait... wow I picked up a 10 ft USB to Mini-B cable while it powers the korg it shows it as not connected :-/ the stock cord works.. oh well..
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Today I had my first run!! It turned out very very good stupid me drove 16 miles and I forgot the keyboard and mouse....

My buddy was really impressed how the drawbars really sound and he likes the Yamaha FC7 pedal it's really solid.

I had to EQ it from the board a little because the top end sounds a little flat but I have it set to flat for the tonewheel scaling.

THe PC on stage was a little much but Being on a budget I was not spending $600 for a laptop so the PC worked out good. So Tuesday- Friday is going to be the major test and anything after that is clear sailing!

He liked using the mod wheel for the Leslie, I was going to add some more plugins but As being I just have one hard drive I'm not going to try and stream samples on the main drive.. that's just stupid.
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Cool! Glad I could help.
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AdmiralQuality wrote:Cool! Glad I could help.
Yeah thanks again!

One little thing is trying to get the latency down low enough.. right now I think it's like 28ms or something like that.. for some reason if set faster I no longer get sound in VB3 That's with the USB sound ASIO.. I don't think onboard sound would be any different?
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MikeCL wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:Cool! Glad I could help.
Yeah thanks again!

One little thing is trying to get the latency down low enough.. right now I think it's like 28ms or something like that.. for some reason if set faster I no longer get sound in VB3 That's with the USB sound ASIO.. I don't think onboard sound would be any different?
Onboard of what, sorry?

28 ms is pretty long. What audio interface and host are you using again? (Sorry if you mentioned it already, I'm too lazy to read back. ;) )

Also, real latency can be a lot longer than reported latency. I've done some recent tests under Reaper and discovered quite a few milliseconds that are unreported.

But VB3 shouldn't be causing problems at any latency. Does any other instrument make sound when you turn it down low, or does just VB3 not work? Usually the symptom of too-low latency will be drop-outs (crackling) in the audio.

But it all depends on the power of the host machine, as well as the particular audio interface.
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AdmiralQuality wrote:
MikeCL wrote:
AdmiralQuality wrote:Cool! Glad I could help.
Yeah thanks again!

One little thing is trying to get the latency down low enough.. right now I think it's like 28ms or something like that.. for some reason if set faster I no longer get sound in VB3 That's with the USB sound ASIO.. I don't think onboard sound would be any different?
Onboard of what, sorry?

28 ms is pretty long. What audio interface and host are you using again? (Sorry if you mentioned it already, I'm too lazy to read back. ;) )

Also, real latency can be a lot longer than reported latency. I've done some recent tests under Reaper and discovered quite a few milliseconds that are unreported.

But VB3 shouldn't be causing problems at any latency. Does any other instrument make sound when you turn it down low, or does just VB3 not work? Usually the symptom of too-low latency will be drop-outs (crackling) in the audio.

But it all depends on the power of the host machine, as well as the particular audio interface.

Sorry I posted that last night as soon as I was headed to bed.. the on-board sound of the PC using ASIO4all

Right now I'm using a Behringer UCA202 USB audio device that does ASIO The computer has a Intel G530 CPU which when playing hardly ever gets over 10%

And what I mean is when you change the setting under the Behringer ASIO panel to Fast or Fastest, If I remember right Fast gets it to a lower ms number but fastest no notes can be heard and all you heard (when not touching any keys) is a popping sound (using brainspawn Forte) However reverting it back to Fast or normal it goes back to working normally.

I'm not sure who's the issue here.. If it's the Behringer or what.. I notice if I set it to the fastest setting for the lowest latency in the ASIO panel the controls in VB3 get laggy.. Since I have the FC7 pedal I noticed that the swell would be like 2-3 seconds behind and the computer was not lagging but it seemed to be related to what's causing the popping sound when you try and lower the latency on it.

I hope that helps, I should of made a video last night before I left but I forgot about it.
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I should also point out in forte they give you the option to adjust buffer sizes but I don't think that would help? Right now I left them at auto ans just adjusted the settings for the latency (normal, fast, fastest)

I don't have this audio device but it shows you what the ASIO panel looks like

http://www.michalkaszczyszyn.com/en/tut ... cg102.html
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MikeCL wrote:
Sorry I posted that last night as soon as I was headed to bed.. the on-board sound of the PC using ASIO4all
Don't expect much from that. Sometimes ASIO4ALL can get good results, sometimes not. It's 3rd party, so no guarantees.

Right now I'm using a Behringer UCA202 USB audio device that does ASIO The computer has a Intel G530 CPU which when playing hardly ever gets over 10%
Not familiar with that box offhand, but it does advertise low latency ASIO.

CPU usage meters don't always show you when dropouts are happening. You can get dropouts when it appears that you still have lots of CPU power free. It depends on too many things to get into here. Still, I'd think at 10% that's probably not the problem.

And what I mean is when you change the setting under the Behringer ASIO panel to Fast or Fastest, If I remember right Fast gets it to a lower ms number but fastest no notes can be heard and all you heard (when not touching any keys) is a popping sound (using brainspawn Forte) However reverting it back to Fast or normal it goes back to working normally.
OK, good, the Behringer has an ASIO control panel. Note that you probably need to make changes to this while your host is off, and restart the host after your change. Are you doing that?

Also double check that the host is using the Behringer's ASIO driver, and not ASIO4ALL's. Sometimes that's not obvious, so uninstalling ASIO4ALL is a good idea to make sure.


I'm not sure who's the issue here.. If it's the Behringer or what.. I notice if I set it to the fastest setting for the lowest latency in the ASIO panel the controls in VB3 get laggy.. Since I have the FC7 pedal I noticed that the swell would be like 2-3 seconds behind and the computer was not lagging but it seemed to be related to what's causing the popping sound when you try and lower the latency on it.

I hope that helps, I should of made a video last night before I left but I forgot about it.
I'm not familiar with Forte either I'm afraid. But again, can you test some other instrument so we can know if it's VB3, or if it's the host? And again, make sure you restart the host after changing settings on the Behringer's control panel. You should also go into Forte's audio preferences and double check that it's using the correct driver, and also check if it has any latency/buffer size settings of its own. (Sorry, I don't know what to expect in there, don't have a copy of Forte yet.)

And the pedal definitely should not be 2-3 seconds late! Are the keys equally late? They must be, because it's all the same MIDI. If keys are responding quick and pedal updates are several seconds behind, I don't know what to tell you! Shouldn't happen.

Controls getting laggy do sound a bit like overtaxed CPU. Use the Windows performance monitor to check the load on all cores. (Ctrl-Alt-Delete, Task Manager, Performance on XP, I forget offhand how to get to it on the newer OSes but it's still something like that I think.)
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MikeCL wrote:I should also point out in forte they give you the option to adjust buffer sizes but I don't think that would help? Right now I left them at auto ans just adjusted the settings for the latency (normal, fast, fastest)

I don't have this audio device but it shows you what the ASIO panel looks like

http://www.michalkaszczyszyn.com/en/tut ... cg102.html
Can you take a screen cap of the audio driver preferences and post it? (In Forte I mean.)

And yes, two settings for the same thing. Set the Behringer to it's lowest, then start Forte and set its buffer as low as it will allow. If the Behringer happens to report how many samples its buffer is, then try using that number.

If you don't know, start with 64 samples, try it. If it crackles then go back, double it, and try again. This is a good way to home in on the minimum buffer size/latency your system can maintain.

At this point I'd also recommend getting Reaper. http://reaper.fm and comparing its performance to Forte's. Maybe Forte is just weird, I don't know.
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I wont be able to check and get the screen caps until tomorrow morning but I will check for you.. I haven't loaded anything else on the system yet but VB3 because I just have one hard drive.. this coming week I'm going to buy a SSD and a 320GB hard drive so I can add some more stuff.

I see a few people here talk about reaper but is it stable and all?
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MikeCL wrote:I wont be able to check and get the screen caps until tomorrow morning but I will check for you.. I haven't loaded anything else on the system yet but VB3 because I just have one hard drive.. this coming week I'm going to buy a SSD and a 320GB hard drive so I can add some more stuff.

I see a few people here talk about reaper but is it stable and all?
Instrument plug-ins aren't usually big unless they're ROMplers. Poly-Ana is only a few MB, if you have enough free space to run safely you have enough space to install it.

GSi also make some free instrument plug-ins. Try Mr. Ray! I'm sure it's just a couple MB in size.

And yes, Reaper is awesome and just keeps getting better. It's also free to try and fully functional, so try it out. (And again, it's only a few MB in size.)
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Well one I want to use it's a little over 6 GB but that's another question about that.. like how do you switch from one instrument from the other during a live session? It takes about 10-15 seconds to load (might be faster with the SSD)

Reaper is free? But with what limitations?
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