Mulabs MUX is for sale

[AndreasD]

On the website says "MUX is integrated into MuLab"(which is what you seem to be describing).

So the advantages of getting MUX for 75 Euros vs. MuLab (with MUX included) for 75 Euros is?

You are settled with your DAW of choice -> get MUX VST
You are looking for a DAW -> get Mulab

[braj]

The MUX that comes with Mulab is not a VST, I assume. There is a crossgrade discount if you want the VST.

[braj]

Well I think I can happily play with MUX in the Mulab free version. I am liking it quite a bit on my old laptop with limited screen real estate. One major downer is no drag and drop midi. But as an environment to demo MUX without sound dropouts it is cool. Can anyone confirm if presets created in Mulab will work in the VST? And how do presets containing VST work when used across different systems, do you have to redife VST paths or does it figure it out?

[MuTools]

I am liking it quite a bit on my old laptop with limited screen real estate. One major downer is no drag and drop midi.

Drag-drop from where to where?

Can anyone confirm if presets created in Mulab will work in the VST?

Sure!

And how do presets containing VST work when used across different systems, do you have to redife VST paths or does it figure it out?

It's about the Vst plugin database in MuLab/MUX. So if you have added the relevant Vst plugins to MuLab/MUX on both systems, then MUX presets will load across both systems.

[braj]

Thanks for the replies Mulab Regarding midi drag and drop, this would be from drum machines like idrum, ezDrummer etc. That wasn't functional on my laptop.

[MuTools]

From Ezdrummer to..?

[braj]

From Ezdrummer to..?

A track, drag and drup midi file from EZDrummer, many drum machines do this nowadays I'd also like to drag and drop to other VSTs like trilian's arpaggiator for groove lock.

[MuTools]

Make sure you have the latest MuLab 4.3.12 as that version has improved support for external drag-drop!

[MuTools]

Forgot to add: MuLab 4.3.12 is the newest build and is available in http://www.mutools.com/mulab/cedar

Note that there is newer MuLab 4.3.14 in the pipeline, coming later today/tomorrow so you could wait and update to that one directly.

To stay up to date about the details please check the MuTools forum here at Kvr. And/or connect to the MuTools Twitter + Facebook at

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[braj]

Make sure you have the latest MuLab 4.3.12 as that version has improved support for external drag-drop!

OK, I tried it on my desktop (laptop is elsewhere now) and it is 64 vs 32 bit. iDrum wouldn't load, called invalid VST by Mulab. I don't have EZDrummer on this one but tried BFD ECO and it worked, but the clip was truncated (I guess at the last note in the loop). Anyhow, I'm just using MuLab to demo MUX so no worries, Studio One is my main host and I'm sticking with that I think

[Trancit]

Karma and Reaktor and Synthedit cannot host VST, one of the most important features of the MUX... none of these are such easy but flexible to use...none of these even if far more expensive offer such a genius OSC like the MUX...
The only synth I know, whichs OSC offers similar features like the MUX one is Zebra2 and this one costs 198,-€

Interesting, I feel like Bidule offers great OSC support, but haven't been able to try OSC with MUX as I am using a Mac.
What is it about MUX's OSC support that you consider genius?
(I'm being completely serious here; I'm purely curious)

Sorry, if I wasn't clear enough... I didn't mean OSC support...I was speaking about the Oscillator module in the MUX, which is really powerful, because you can use any audiofile as an Oscillator shape and manipulate it in many many ways... ever used a drumloop as an Oscillator shape???

[Trancit]

Interesting, could you give an example of what you mean?
Perhaps it is because I've been using Bidule for so long (about 10 years), that it feels so intuitive to me.
Does your comment have something to do with the organization of things - for example; do you find it easier to find what you're looking for?
Or is it purely the look/graphics of the interface that confuse you/turn you off?
Just curious.

First of all: Because of the much longer developing time, Bidule is far deeper than MUX depending the offered Modules, while on the other side I wouldn't use about 90% of them...

And about my dislike: It's about 2 main aspects:

1. The complete GUI concept turns me off completely... I don't like these nested submenus... these navigation is a nightmare for me...

2. I cannot get a single "good-sounding" tone out of it... to me it feels some kind of raw and "unpolished", it just don't work for me
Like Andreas D wrote a few post under yours, the MUX just works immidiately, no matter if your building up a patch or just drag n drop controls for building up a GUI and that's for me the real achievement the developer has made... no matter, what you do, it just works and it feels good... I don't know how to describe it better...

I'm definitely looking forward to the Mac version of MUX.

But you know, that you can use the Mulab version (available for Mac as well), which includes a free one too and offers the same MUX, which is available as VST too...

[Trancit]

Is there a step sequencer or table (like reaktor)?

No step sequencer (yet), but you can use the multi point envelope.

And I would personally always prefer a specialized Midi VSTi like either the fantanstic free Kirnu or the fantastic and mainly free PIZ Midi Looper...

Included modules in modular enviroment will hardly touch the features such specialized ones offer...

[braj]

The more I play with MUX the more I like it, it really is accessible. Some VSTs just have bad GUIs, maybe small or cluttered controls, or no effects, you really can easily just grab the controls that you need most out of them and create a simplified and consistent GUI for many plugins, I'll definitely be buying this at some stage, I still want to understand what is going on with event output and Studio One but even for just grouping my arps onto a track with the VSt they drive it is a huge streamliner for a host like Studio One. I tried all the chainer apps and this is the first that really clicked with me, still a learning curve is there but considering all the existing patches that you can simply replace modules from, there is plenty to warrant the purchase price. Next month I guess, its high up on my shopping list now

[allofdrab]

Sorry, if I wasn't clear enough... I didn't mean OSC support...I was speaking about the Oscillator module in the MUX, which is really powerful, because you can use any audiofile as an Oscillator shape and manipulate it in many many ways... ever used a drumloop as an Oscillator shape???

Sure I have. The idea of using any audio file as an oscillator is nothing new. People have been doing that for years. I've done it in Bidule many times.
Though I will say that the Oscillator and control module in MUX is quite elegant (I've been testing out MUX in Mulab),
and it DOES make it very easy use.
However, though it has advantages to Bidule in that it's features do not have to be wired up, it also has disadvantages in that it is not as flexible as what you could create (given the time) in Bidule.
For instance, it appears to me (correct me if I'm wrong) that the positioning of the loaded audio file cannot be controlled via modulation sources.
On the other hand, I imagine this limitation (if I'm correct about it) may change in the future.
So I don't want to be too critical; just want to explain my view point.
Certainly I can see the attractiveness of not having to build the features it does have, but I'm a tinkerer, and quite comfortable throwing things together in Bidule.

Interesting, could you give an example of what you mean?
Perhaps it is because I've been using Bidule for so long (about 10 years), that it feels so intuitive to me.
Does your comment have something to do with the organization of things - for example; do you find it easier to find what you're looking for?
Or is it purely the look/graphics of the interface that confuse you/turn you off?
Just curious.

First of all: Because of the much longer developing time, Bidule is far deeper than MUX depending the offered Modules, while on the other side I wouldn't use about 90% of them...

Fair enough.

And about my dislike: It's about 2 main aspects:

1. The complete GUI concept turns me off completely... I don't like these nested submenus... these navigation is a nightmare for me...

Did you notice Bidule has something called a Palette? It's a separate window/menu that can stay open; allowing you to open those submenus you are using and choose to leave them open so modules can essentially be dragged and dropped from it without having to re-navigate sub-menus. The Palette also has a History button that shows your most used modules, and a search field.
It is quite a valuable feature, because I agree; Bidule does have many more modules.

I guess from your statement about Bidule's sub menus it's fair to assume if MUX ever gets to the point where it has so many modules that the developer decides to introduce an extra layer of sub menus, you'd be awfully disappointed.
Perhaps you should bring this topic up with him.

2. I cannot get a single "good-sounding" tone out of it... to me it feels some kind of raw and "unpolished", it just don't work for me
Like Andreas D wrote a few post under yours, the MUX just works immidiately, no matter if your building up a patch or just drag n drop controls for building up a GUI and that's for me the real achievement the developer has made... no matter, what you do, it just works and it feels good... I don't know how to describe it better...

Huh, I feel the same about Bidule! - it just works and feels good Apples and oranges I guess!
I get great sounds out of Bidule, but I will say I have to put a little effort into making it happen. The building blocks CAN be as you wrote: raw, but I think that's the point. Ultimately, I guess I enjoy having the control that comes with being able to build things up from a lower level.

I'm definitely looking forward to the Mac version of MUX.

But you know, that you can use the Mulab version (available for Mac as well), which includes a free one too and offers the same MUX, which is available as VST too...

Yup, thanks, tried it out last night. However, what do you mean by " ...includes a free one too..." ?