Are we close to getting plugin compressors that sound like real ones?

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Shy - OK I understand you...and thanks again :)

For others - one thing is very surprising to me...there are SO many experienced people in this thread and nobody is interested to try what his preferred compressor really can do when pushed to limits...it takes only about 5 minutes and send results or write down a report here for others to know what happened :shock:

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kvaca wrote:Shy - OK I understand you...and thanks again :)

For others - one thing is very surprising to me...there are SO many experienced people in this thread and nobody is interested to try what his preferred compressor really can do when pushed to limits...it takes only about 5 minutes and send results or write down a report here for others to know what happened :shock:
He explicitly said that he doesn't care what we think. Open indifference bordering on hostility to the thoughts of others is not a great lead-in to community participation.

That said, I don't want to let us off the hook here, either - the truth is our minds are mostly made up, too. I know I just totally disagree with his basic statements because of my own experience. So I can't really blame his somewhat off-putting attitude, partly I have to blame my own preconceptions (formed, though they are, by a lot of experience with both analog and digital gear).

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Keep whining if you want, Agreed (though don't expect a reply, I'll be away for 2 days), I still don't care. It's good that at least someone can discuss the topic instead of just my or his opinions.
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kvaca wrote:Shy - OK I understand you...and thanks again :)

For others - one thing is very surprising to me...there are SO many experienced people in this thread and nobody is interested to try what his preferred compressor really can do when pushed to limits...it takes only about 5 minutes and send results or write down a report here for others to know what happened :shock:
A more succinct example, provided by the gent in question:
Shy wrote:Keep whining if you want, Agreed (though don't expect a reply, I'll be away for 2 days), I still don't care. It's good that at least someone can discuss the topic instead of just my or his opinions.
I wasn't whining at all. I commented that his tone was negative, which it was, and that he said he doesn't care about anyone else's viewpoint, which he doesn't. Those are just mild factual statements. I also allowed for the likelihood that many of us aren't interested in trying it out because of preconceptions that we aren't really making an effort to challenge. That's a criticism of us, not of him; an admission that part of the reason we're not taking the time to test it isn't just because of a poor attitude, but because we're not willing to take it as an opportunity to try something that may challenge what we currently hold to be true.

And his response is that I'm "whining," which, just as a matter of tone, is pretty unnecessary, but also shows that he didn't intend to understand what I wrote, just took it as a criticism of him and shut down his reading comprehension entirely. He's a perfectly smart guy, but this is the level of discourse one can expect, so... why bother?

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agreed-I fully dont understand your post...maybe my skills in english are not well enough,but I have a strong feeling that you are on the purely negative side here and also going slightly OT :o

maybe is true that Shy dont want to know what you are thinking,but they are many others here, too...

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I'm not really that interested in compressors and I don't have much expertise in the field but I thought I'd download Shy's examples and try to see if I can match what Shy has provided. Since I'm away, I'm working on my headphones so I may have missed a lot of detail, however, here's my attempt, good or bad (I have included the Algorithmix WAV Shy has put in his ZIP for comparison):

www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/Compression_match_b.wav

I can hear a difference in the transient response - which I suppose could be further improved with more precise settings - but I can't hear the sound breaking up, which is what Shy claims would happen in a plugin compressor.

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himalaya wrote:I'm not really that interested in compressors and I don't have much expertise in the filed but I thought I'd download Shy's examples and try to see if I can match what Shy has provided. Since I'm away, I'm working on my headphones so I may have missed a lot of detail, however, here's my attempt, good or bad (I have included the Algorithmix WAV Shy has put in his ZIP for comparison):

www.electric-himalaya.com/stuff/Compression_match_b.wav

I can hear a difference in the transient response - which I suppose could be further improved with more precise settings - but I can't hear the sound breaking up, which is what Shy claims would happen in a plugin compressor.
sounds good...but-where can I download your wav to listen it again on better audio equipment,becouse I dont have very good audio output on my internet laptop?

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kvaca wrote:For others - one thing is very surprising to me...there are SO many experienced people in this thread and nobody is interested to try what his preferred compressor really can do when pushed to limits...
Because I'm not interested in 144bpm goa/hard trance kicks. ;)

Seriously, though, I was going to take a shot at it last night when I had insomnia but then Nebula crashed my system and I went to bed. I'll do it in a little bit.

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kvaca wrote:agreed-I fully dont understand your post...maybe my skills in english are not well enough,but I have a strong feeling that you are on the purely negative side here and also going slightly OT :o

maybe is true that Shy dont want to know what you are thinking,but they are many others here, too...
I can't really explain because our languages are different but please be assured that I am not on a "purely negative side," in fact I'm not on any "side" at all. I think that there is a reason people aren't so interested in trying it out, which I explained, and I think that partly it might have to do with their own pre-conceptions (in other words, that Shy might be right). That's not on any side, that's just a neutral statement.

Please don't think I'm being negative, not the case at all.

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kvaca wrote:
sounds good...but-where can I download your wav to listen it again on better audio equipment,becouse I dont have very good audio output on my internet laptop?
Sorry my friend, but I don't understand your question. You can download the file from that link, where else? If your laptop is not connected to good speakers then burn the file on a CDR and listen to it on a better system . Is this what you meant?
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himalaya wrote:
kvaca wrote:
sounds good...but-where can I download your wav to listen it again on better audio equipment,becouse I dont have very good audio output on my internet laptop?
Sorry my friend, but I don't understand your question. You can download the file from that link, where else? If your laptop is not connected to good speakers then burn the file on a CDR and listen to it on a better system . Is this what you meant?
unfortunately I cannot see any download link from my point of view,its only some player which starts playing when clicked but dont allow downloading :(

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Right click on the link and select "Save linked content as..." or similar, depending on your browser.
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Most times, I find tracking with software compressors singularly frustrating. In my experience - my experience only, mind you - it is nothing like a good hardware unit. I suspect the nature of digital gain-staging plays some part in that. I find most software compressors fold very easily. A good hardware compressor supports what I try to do transparently - even when I look for color, if you follow. :)
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himalaya wrote:Right click on the link and select "Save linked content as..." or similar, depending on your browser.
Thanks a lot, and forgive me for asking, it made me really cofused that I could have seen there only "save link as" witch is not what I thought I wanted, bcs someone who made this program translated it incorectly... Now I know, Thanks a lot again!!!

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MickGael wrote:Most times, I find tracking with software compressors singularly frustrating. In my experience - my experience only, mind you - it is nothing like a good hardware unit. I suspect the nature of digital gain-staging plays some part in that. I find most software compressors fold very easily. A good hardware compressor supports what I try to do transparently - even when I look for color, if you follow. :)
I dunno, I think that the analog gain staging pre-digital (and just component interactions in general) plays a massively significant role in it too. Outside of EDM there's a lot going on before anything hits the input, y'know?

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