Mulabs MUX is for sale

[allofdrab]

By the way, don't get me wrong; I see the appeal of MUX.
Just wanted to point out that Bidule and MUX are VERY similar in many ways (as far as I've been able to tell), price included.
They also both have advantages and disadvantages with regards to each other.
Since they ARE both in the same price range, if someone hasn't used either; I suggest they try them BOTH out before deciding on one or the other.
OR be like I probably will be - an owner of both

[Trancit]

Huh, I feel the same about Bidule! - it just works and feels good Apples and oranges I guess!
I get great sounds out of Bidule, but I will say I have to put a little effort into making it happen. The building blocks CAN be as you wrote: raw, but I think that's the point. Ultimately, I guess I enjoy having the control that comes with being able to build things up from a lower level.

To all the points above and especially this one: I agree with all of them and especially with the last one...
Perhaps I didn't tried Bidule enough just because it doesn't worked for me and I don't like to have to build up everything from a "too low level" for me...
But I admit completely, that they seem to be very similar, what they do in general and it's in first place a matter of taste...

However, what do you mean by " ...includes a free one too..." ?

You can use Mulab for free, but the Sequencer part is limited then:

http://www.mutools.com/info/docs/mulab/ ... sions.html

[Trancit]

Though I will say that the Oscillator and control module in MUX is quite elegant (I've been testing out MUX in Mulab),
and it DOES make it very easy use.
However, though it has advantages to Bidule in that it's features do not have to be wired up, it also has disadvantages in that it is not as flexible as what you could create (given the time) in Bidule.
For instance, it appears to me (correct me if I'm wrong) that the positioning of the loaded audio file cannot be controlled via modulation sources.
On the other hand, I imagine this limitation (if I'm correct about it) may change in the future.

Just wanted to say my point of view to this part:

Exactly this is, what in the MUX makes sense to me:

Everything it offers is very very easy and fast to use compared to the most modular systems out there though it has it's limits...

But that's not a disadvantage to me: For everything it doesn't offer it makes to me more sense to use a really specialized VST/i instead of building around, often have to make compromises in workflow and the way "I" want it to be...

For me the MUX is in first place a very well done and well featured container, which offers me a playground in which I can easily work with everything I have and that includes as well my VST/i's, which I already know well in the manner of their strengths and weaknesses...
Here I can put all the strenghts together without having to care about their weaknesses of modulations/filters/effects...etc...
So no need for me to claim, it doesn't offer this or that...

[grymmjack]

Map an LFO to a VST parameter on a synth that doesn't have one, then modulate that LFO itself with an envelope to provide a fading in effect? Is there a step sequencer or table (like reaktor)?

This is pretty easy:
- add your VST(s) inside the MUX
- add a "Parameter Event Generator" module
- Connect it's output to the VST
- now open the "Event Generator" module and you will have a list of all VST parameter available. Select the one you want to modulate, set the resolution of this param.
- add an LFO and connct its output with the "Event Generator" module (your VST param will now wobble)
- add an ADSR envelope, connect it to LFO amplitude and setup the envelope as required (the wobble will now follow the ADSR)
- add a "Note to Event" module and connect Keytrack to the ADSR attack speed (the higher the note the faster the VST will start to wobble)
- add another LFO and connect it the the 1st LFO's frequency (LFO control another LFO speed)
- connect the "Note Event" random output to the 2nd LFO amplitude (...which will be controlled by random values)

... if your head starts spinning about the above modulation, you have not even scratched the surface.

No step sequencer (yet), but you can use the multi point envelope.

Next question; can the LFO sync to tempo, and can it retrigger with new key?

Thanks for your help. This sounds great.

[grymmjack]

Are there any plans to allow custom skins per mux?

In this way we could customize something we build with MUX, build a skin, and a nice GUI

[MuTools]

Next question; can the LFO sync to tempo

Yes.

and can it retrigger with new key?

Yes.

[MuTools]

Are there any plans to allow custom skins per mux?

Absolutely, even big plans! But that's for MuLab 5 / MUX Vst 2.

[hibidy]

er, maybe I don't really understand exactly what this can do yet......so n/m about the price comment

[hibidy]

Expensive? What do you think a fair price would be?

Honestly it's an absolute bargain!

again, I should have waited before I hit my last price comment (edited)

Here's where I'm coming from, isn't the price of M4 about the same price? This is just separate and would primarily be for use in another host, right? So I don't understand why it's at "this" price and you could get the whole host for the same? I'm just confused more than anything.

[MuTools]

There is a good reason for that. It has been discussed and explained here: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=355766

[Tricky-Loops]

Expensive? What do you think a fair price would be?

Honestly it's an absolute bargain!

again, I should have waited before I hit my last price comment (edited)

Here's where I'm coming from, isn't the price of M4 about the same price? This is just separate and would primarily be for use in another host, right? So I don't understand why it's at "this" price and you could get the whole host for the same? I'm just confused more than anything.

Because Jo from MuTools said that 90 % of the programming capacity went into MUX, and only 10 % more into MuLab - so it's a fair price in his opinion...

[hibidy]

Yeah, I dunno. We'll see.

So when is mulab going to be multiprocessor?

[liquidsound]

Market value is not the same as the intrinsic value in most cases.
MuLab is worth much more but Jo is giving it a market value based on many factors.

MUX is really what's behind MuLab and it is close to the real market price then MuLab which should be more expensive.

There are some exeptions in the market, such as Reaper, and such as Reason which, the individual modules, could easly top Reason price very quickly if sold individually as RE, while the MUX, is well equipped with really top notch modules with an awesome sound quality, the same ones found in MuLab!!!

MUX is a pure joy to use and the value is also for the direction of its development knowing Jo's mind and vision.
The ones that have spent long enough time in MuLab and the built in MUX can immediately see the value of both.

I'm having fun with many software but I'm always there, in MUTOOLS world.

Throw a Zebra in the MUX and see..........

[hibidy]

Well I'm intrigued, but I'd thought about giving mulab a run around the block..........IF it ever goes multiprocessor

(I know, shut up and wait........at least they went x64 !!! )

[grymmjack]

Are there any plans to allow custom skins per mux?

Absolutely, even big plans! But that's for MuLab 5 / MUX Vst 2.

Cool so this is pretty much a test the water, get things stable kind of build?

I'm having a lot of fun with MUX