KVR Audio

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 2:57 pm

kvaca wrote:the question is if we really need to hit it harder,becouse majority of todays audio production suffers from that "loudness war" and to me is totally unacceptable to listen such records with DR 6 or 7...

That's a different discussion. For the discussion at hand, the hardware can be hit a lot harder before falling apart than the emulations I've tried (I haven't tried the DCAM yet).

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:40 pm

Uncle E wrote:falling apart

What is it exactly you mean by that ?

Ah Xoc Kin · Post by **Ah Xoc Kin** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 3:49 pm

Yes, those are different issues.
Eric, have you tried UBK-1? I'm liking it quite a bit along with:
ArtsAcoustic CL Series
McDSP 6030 (versatility and ease of use)
Renaissance Compressor (oldie but goodie)
Softube FET
IK 670
Klanghelm

Need to test further URS Strip Pro, Mix Control Pro, Molot and FG-X.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:17 pm

Mutant wrote:What is it exactly you mean by that ?

I mean that it falls apart. With the hardware, you can push it ridiculously hard on a main buss and it just sounds smooth, solid, and glued together. The emulations sound like overcompressed, mashed up messes when pushed to the same degrees. I still love the UAD 4K Buss Compressor and use it in nearly ever mix or master but I need to chain it with a Sonnox Dynamics if I want the full effect of what the hardware can do by itself.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:20 pm

Ah Xoc Kin wrote:Yes, those are different issues.
Eric, have you tried UBK-1? I'm liking it quite a bit along with:
ArtsAcoustic CL Series
McDSP 6030 (versatility and ease of use)
Renaissance Compressor (oldie but goodie)
Softube FET
IK 670
Klanghelm

Need to test further URS Strip Pro, Mix Control Pro, Molot and FG-X.

These are all good (well, aside from the Ren Comp) but they can't replace hardware like the UAD 33609 and new 1176's can. These are the only ones I've found that can be direct replacements for hardware.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:30 pm

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kvaca · Post by **kvaca** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:36 pm

Uncle E wrote:
Ah Xoc Kin wrote:Yes, those are different issues.
Eric, have you tried UBK-1? I'm liking it quite a bit along with:
ArtsAcoustic CL Series
McDSP 6030 (versatility and ease of use)
Renaissance Compressor (oldie but goodie)
Softube FET
IK 670
Klanghelm

Need to test further URS Strip Pro, Mix Control Pro, Molot and FG-X.
These are all good (well, aside from the Ren Comp) but they can't replace hardware like the UAD 33609 and new 1176's can. These are the only ones I've found that can be direct replacements for hardware.

have you tryed Vertigo?
it was written somewhere that it can replace hardware,too...

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:48 pm

ttoz wrote:Softube FET is pretty amazing IMO though.. it's my very favorite 1176 emu yes even above the UAD

It's better than the original UAD 1176, I'm referring to the three brand new 1176's that UA just released. They're incredible.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 7:19 pm

Uncle E wrote:
Mutant wrote:What is it exactly you mean by that ?
I mean that it falls apart. With the hardware, you can push it ridiculously hard on a main buss and it just sounds smooth, solid, and glued together. The emulations sound like overcompressed, mashed up messes when pushed to the same degrees. I still love the UAD 4K Buss Compressor and use it in nearly ever mix or master but I need to chain it with a Sonnox Dynamics if I want the full effect of what the hardware can do by itself.

The example I posted earlier, does that also 'fall apart'?

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:02 pm

If you used software - it is "fall apart", if you used hardware - it is "you didn't set it up properly"

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:16 pm

himalaya wrote:The example I posted earlier, does that also 'fall apart'?

Your example doesn't exhibit the kind of gain reduction I'm referring to. Try the same thing with a faster attack, a faster release, 2:1 ratio, and 8-10dB GR.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:17 pm

Mutant wrote:If you used software - it is "fall apart", if you used hardware - it is "you didn't set it up properly"

There are software compressors that don't fall apart, just not the SSL emulations.

himalaya · Post by **himalaya** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:06 pm

Uncle E wrote:
himalaya wrote:The example I posted earlier, does that also 'fall apart'?
Your example doesn't exhibit the kind of gain reduction I'm referring to. Try the same thing with a faster attack, a faster release, 2:1 ratio, and 8-10dB GR.

Well, it's emulating whatever Shy has posted, which was supposed to be a 'stress' level test.

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:22 pm

Wait and see...

4damind · Post by **4damind** » Mon Aug 06, 2012 10:42 pm

There are some good words for the Vertigo. A mastering guy here in Germany (Andreas Balaskas from Masterlab) is using the hardware and compared it to the software. Very close. There is a difference but not very big.

I think some companies are very close with this emulation stuff. I only wait that Urs releases some stuff, would be interesting to see a 1176/LA2A etc made bei U-He

Are we close to getting plugin compressors that sound like real ones?