filkertom wrote:Oh, and, for what it's worth, it sounds fantastic.
MVocoder - new vocoder from MeldaProduction available for a riddiculous introductory price!
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- 14325 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
This vocoder is so cheap that I'll definitely check it out.
I do have to agree with others who wish there was more information on the website. Why does it not list out all the features of this vocoder, and instead lists all the generic features of your framework? I don't need a lot of marketing hyperbole, but at least provide a clear and concise list of the features and functions of the plugin in question.
Just looking at the screenshot, I find some of your labeling unclear. What does the top "Ratio" control? Ratio of what to what? What is "Whitening"? Isn't that a tooth bleaching treatment? I would have guessed it meant the amount of white noise mixed into the signal, but you've already stated that there is no internal sound source. What do you mean by "Gate ratio?" Ratio of gating compared to what? Is that an envelope control for attack or release of gating or something? You also appear to have a typo on one of the labels, "Car esonance".
I do have to agree with others who wish there was more information on the website. Why does it not list out all the features of this vocoder, and instead lists all the generic features of your framework? I don't need a lot of marketing hyperbole, but at least provide a clear and concise list of the features and functions of the plugin in question.
Just looking at the screenshot, I find some of your labeling unclear. What does the top "Ratio" control? Ratio of what to what? What is "Whitening"? Isn't that a tooth bleaching treatment? I would have guessed it meant the amount of white noise mixed into the signal, but you've already stated that there is no internal sound source. What do you mean by "Gate ratio?" Ratio of gating compared to what? Is that an envelope control for attack or release of gating or something? You also appear to have a typo on one of the labels, "Car esonance".
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
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- KVRian
- 1256 posts since 15 Mar, 2007 from Yorkshire, England
Got to agree with the others here, I went to the page for the vocoder and just found a lot of information about the generic engine capabilities which I know already 
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- KVRian
- 1256 posts since 15 Mar, 2007 from Yorkshire, England
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- KVRAF
- 7028 posts since 28 Apr, 2004 from france
That's what i was trying to say.deastman wrote:This vocoder is so cheap that I'll definitely check it out.
I do have to agree with others who wish there was more information on the website. Why does it not list out all the features of this vocoder, and instead lists all the generic features of your framework? I don't need a lot of marketing hyperbole, but at least provide a clear and concise list of the features and functions of the plugin in question.
Just looking at the screenshot, I find some of your labeling unclear. What does the top "Ratio" control? Ratio of what to what? What is "Whitening"? Isn't that a tooth bleaching treatment? I would have guessed it meant the amount of white noise mixed into the signal, but you've already stated that there is no internal sound source. What do you mean by "Gate ratio?" Ratio of gating compared to what? Is that an envelope control for attack or release of gating or something? You also appear to have a typo on one of the labels, "Car esonance".
Anyway, i have downoaded the demo, I'll try it tonight.
I wish it could have an integrated chorus and an overdrive (both can do a lot to get that vintage sound. And of course i could use some third party FX, but all-in-one is easier & better, mainly for preset).
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- KVRAF
- 6272 posts since 25 Mar, 2004
I'm in a constant search for great vocoders and the intro price really makes this a no-brainer.
I have a few free and sale priced M products, and they are always good quality.
I will also add my voice to the others regarding the spec sheets for your
plugs, and I will add this, hopefully, constructive note: Take a page out of NI's marketing playbook. Many of their products run on the same platform, and, to the untrained eye (mine especially) have very little to distinguish them from other products in their line (such as, for example, any of the paid-for synths on the Reaktor platform). But there are differences to be sure, and those differences, slight as they sometimes may be, are charted and diagrammed, highlighted, demoed and illustrated, all to make the product look like your entire DAW will fall apart unless you buy it.
Now it may not be in your overall corporate culture to go to that extreme, and you may have good reasons for cultivating a 'quieter' branding approach. But the fact is that this type of strategy works. Your customers want to kick the tires and read the manual, and the more you let them do this, and the more exciting you can make that experience, the greater the likelihood of making the sale.
Cheers
-B
I have a few free and sale priced M products, and they are always good quality.
I will also add my voice to the others regarding the spec sheets for your
plugs, and I will add this, hopefully, constructive note: Take a page out of NI's marketing playbook. Many of their products run on the same platform, and, to the untrained eye (mine especially) have very little to distinguish them from other products in their line (such as, for example, any of the paid-for synths on the Reaktor platform). But there are differences to be sure, and those differences, slight as they sometimes may be, are charted and diagrammed, highlighted, demoed and illustrated, all to make the product look like your entire DAW will fall apart unless you buy it.
Now it may not be in your overall corporate culture to go to that extreme, and you may have good reasons for cultivating a 'quieter' branding approach. But the fact is that this type of strategy works. Your customers want to kick the tires and read the manual, and the more you let them do this, and the more exciting you can make that experience, the greater the likelihood of making the sale.
Cheers
-B
Berfab
So many plugins, so little time...
So many plugins, so little time...
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MeldaProduction MeldaProduction https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=176122
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- 14325 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
Ok, folks, maybe you are right
. Though I really wonder what could be written about MMultiBandAutopan for example
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- KVRist
- 211 posts since 28 Dec, 2003 from Gravel Switch, Kentucky
Thanks for this one -- great sounding!
But really can suck cpu (compared to Vocodex, for instance, generally seems to be close to half as efficient). Any possibility of significant optimizations?
No need to hurry!
Greg Williams
But really can suck cpu (compared to Vocodex, for instance, generally seems to be close to half as efficient). Any possibility of significant optimizations?
No need to hurry!
Greg Williams
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- 14325 posts since 15 Mar, 2008 from Czech republic
Thanks! With optimizations - probably not. Unlike vocodex, this one is based on real filters (as opposed to FFT which I assumes is adopted by vocodex), which means better quality, no latency, and more CPUgwill wrote:Thanks for this one -- great sounding!
But really can suck cpu (compared to Vocodex, for instance, generally seems to be close to half as efficient). Any possibility of significant optimizations?
No need to hurry!
Greg Williams
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- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
BTW, is there some good book about how to use a Vocoder creatively? Because the vocoder is the only FX that I haven't "learned" by now...
Regarding the use of a vocoder, I've meant the song "Harder Faster Stronger Better" by Daft Punk. Are they using a vocoder, or is it only pitch-shifting and auto-tuning?
Regarding the use of a vocoder, I've meant the song "Harder Faster Stronger Better" by Daft Punk. Are they using a vocoder, or is it only pitch-shifting and auto-tuning?
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I don't really know about a book, moreover to be creative usually means play with it, play with it and play with it...
But well, you can just press Random all the time and wait for something cool
. Just remember that despite the origins of vocoding are (from the name) on vocals, you may use any audio whatsoever.
About the Daft punk song - I think it is a vocoder. Though it could be also some autotuner with distortion and filter. Hard to say. With vocoder it would probably be easier.
Btw. pitch shifting is actually almost always based on some kind of vocoder as well
. The main idea about creatively using vocoder is that it can use multiple audio signals.
About the Daft punk song - I think it is a vocoder. Though it could be also some autotuner with distortion and filter. Hard to say. With vocoder it would probably be easier.
Btw. pitch shifting is actually almost always based on some kind of vocoder as well
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- KVRAF
- 7028 posts since 28 Apr, 2004 from france
Quite a lot of Daft-punkesque sounds are actually made with a talkBox (like "California Love", by Tupac/Dre, sampling a Roger Troutman song i guess).
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I remember my favorite quote from Rick Snoman ("Dance Music Manual"): "As always, experimentation is the real key..."MeldaProduction wrote:I don't really know about a book, moreover to be creative usually means play with it, play with it and play with it...But well, you can just press Random all the time and wait for something cool
. Just remember that despite the origins of vocoding are (from the name) on vocals, you may use any audio whatsoever.
About the Daft punk song - I think it is a vocoder. Though it could be also some autotuner with distortion and filter. Hard to say. With vocoder it would probably be easier.
Btw. pitch shifting is actually almost always based on some kind of vocoder as well. The main idea about creatively using vocoder is that it can use multiple audio signals.
What do you mean by "multiple audio signals"? Can I route more than one audio signal to the side-chain of the vocoder and use them all as carriers? How many audio signals can I use?
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No no, I meant main and side-chain, just none of them may be vocals as you are used, you can use thing.
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Are you 100 % sure? For example, the producer of Cher "Believe" claimed to have used a Talkbox, but a few years later he confessed that he had used Autotune.sinkmusic wrote:Quite a lot of Daft-punkesque sounds are actually made with a talkBox (like "California Love", by Tupac/Dre, sampling a Roger Troutman song i guess).
