OXIUM -New Xils-lab synthesizer- [ Jp8 Comparison :) ]

[mellotronaut]

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[hakey]

Envelope attack is soft - nowhere near as snappy as the competition.

You can get all sorts of snappy sounds. Besides that the ev times can be given in mms. Its very easy to get even some clicky sounds with the attack.

Here's a quick illustration: two clips - Oxium and a leading competitor. In both cases VCA and filter envelopes were set identically with attack, decay and release at their minimum settings and sustain at 100%. For Oxium the filter envelope was doubled using a mod matrix slot to allow the filter to be opened fully. A sawtooth was fed into the respective filters, which were set to self oscillate.

Oxium

A Leading Competitor

To my ears, the attack portion of the Oxium clip sounds soft and the 'leading competitor' much snappier. The loud clickiness in the Oxium clip is on the release!

Edit: Also notice the obvious fuzziness in the Oxium clip. There's no added white noise. For some reason pushing the open filter into self oscillation gets that fuzz.

[vurt]

To my ears, the attack portion of the Oxium clip sounds soft and the 'leading competitor' much snappier. The loud clickiness in the Oxium clip is on the release!

the click on the oxium one sounds awful too
i know this is hardly a musical sound, but that click doesnt sound like it could be much use anywhere, sounds somewhat "plasticky"

[hakey]

the click on the oxium one sounds awful too
i know this is hardly a musical sound, but that click doesnt sound like it could be much use anywhere, sounds somewhat "plasticky"

Haha, yeah. Like you say, clicks aren't all that musically useful anyway.

The real point of note is that at zero release for both VCA and filter envelopes the click as the filter closes shouldn't be anywhere near as prominent. To get a similar click on the leading competitor the release amounts have to be increased significantly.

[Trakstar]

Envelope attack is soft - nowhere near as snappy as the competition.

You can get all sorts of snappy sounds. Besides that the ev times can be given in mms. Its very easy to get even some clicky sounds with the attack.

Here's a quick illustration: two clips - Oxium and a leading competitor. In Oxiums case the VCA and filter envelopes were set identically with attack, decay and release at their minimum settings and sustain at 100%. For Oxium the filter envelope was doubled using a mod matrix slot to allow the filter to be opened fully. A sawtooth was fed into the respective filters, which were set to self oscillate.the filter on Oxium was the best sounding I had ever heard on a synthesizer,wow,it completely blew me away

Oxium

A Leading Competitor

To my ears, the attack portion of the Oxium clip sounds punchy and the 'leading competitor' much slowwr. The loud clickiness in the other synth not the Oxium clip is on the release!

Edit: Also notice the obvious warmth in the Oxium clip. There's no added white noise. The open filter set into self oscillation gets that smooth creamy noise associated with analog synths, better than Divas in fact for 1/2 the processing power.

Ill do the same with oxium and "another competitor" and well compare results in a while crocodile

[vurt]

@ hakey, yeah i know that, click/fast nvelope can be used for drums/perc i guess, but that particular filter closing doesnt sound "realistic" at all.
the competitor, sounds a little more natural? does that make sense, on the competitor it sounds like its not out of place. id be interested in knowing what the competitor is at some point.

but i think id like to hear something more musical on both synths first at least...
even just a simple riffage with some filter sweeps, uing the same ettings on both synths of course. if possible.

[Sendy]

While a click firing off randomly isn't very musical, having that click at the beginning of each note is IMO one way to make a percussive sound cut thru the mix. You don't even hear it in a mix, so much as sense it.

When I started out with electronic music everything was sample-based, and a click always meant a bad edit and I avoided it, but these days, you know, lots of real instruments have a click sound related to their impact, and so it should be with some synth sounds.

[Trakstar]

They are much more versatile that what has been shown,Ill post some proper envelope settings soon showing punchy percussion and bass

[Trakstar]

Another Point, whats this clicking every ones is talking about, I honestly Have no idea to what you are speaking about, might be something else perhaps??

[Crackbaby]

Bloody hell, can the comparisons stop?! Two great synths, you CAN own both. Good job, you found a setting that isn't musical to your ears. Great. How about trying to find something that sounds good and go on from there?
There has been no 'sneaky' marketing here.

[Trakstar]

Bloody hell, can the comparisons stop?! Two great synths, you CAN own both. Good job, you found a setting that isn't musical to your ears. Great. How about trying to find something that sounds good and go on from there?
There has been no 'sneaky' marketing here.

shut it CrackHead(its a joke just in case you dont have sense of humor)

[hakey]

the filter on Oxium was the best sounding I had ever heard on a synthesizer,wow,it completely blew me away

For the record - no, Oxium's filter didn't blow me away (and my grammar isn't quite that bad).

Just out of interest, how many socks are you up to now? Slinky Productions, Drumtarded, j3l1yt0t5, and now Trakstar - have I missed any?

[Lotuzia]

Well I dont know, Oxium sounds so plasticky that a real Jupiter 8 owner finds it closer to its JP8 than all leading competitors, and that many users already find the filters very creamy, and said it quite loudly, in this thread or other ones. ymmv of course. We cant please everybody

Well there are a lot of instruments with snappy attacks in the Oxium factory library, and its quite obvious it can produce some very percussive instruments as well so .......

Anyway, We have around 100 audio clips of Oxium in isolation on Xils site that tend to demonstrate that it can sound very sweet and good

http://www.xils-lab.com/pages/Oxium_Audio.html

Separate instruments clips are located at the bottom of the page, for those who are interested in people making a synth sound good rather than bad.

LtZ

[hakey]

id like to hear something more musical on both synths first at least...

Maybe tomorrow. And maybe in a separate thread that folk can choose to ignore if it's all too tedious for them to bear. It might even be too tedious for me...

[Lotuzia]

@ hakey, yeah i know that, click/fast nvelope can be used for drums/perc i guess, but that particular filter closing doesnt sound "realistic" at all.
the competitor, sounds a little more natural? does that make sense, on the competitor it sounds like its not out of place. id be interested in knowing what the competitor is at some point.

but i think id like to hear something more musical on both synths first at least...
even just a simple riffage with some filter sweeps, uing the same ettings on both synths of course. if possible.

Seems he just said that to get the exact same click with the competitor, you should vary the envelope settings.

We have dozens of Oxium clipsin isolation on Xils site, but trying the demo is for sure the best way to know if its for you or less for you.