KVR Audio

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:05 pm

Hi there,

because of many requests, I've done a quick tutorial playing around a supersaw sound and some variations from scratch:

Had to split it into 2 parts...

I hope it's not too boring

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:25 pm

braj wrote:I'm so freaking happy I figured out how to use piz's midiKeySplit inside MUX with midiScaleChanger to both transpose/rescale part of the keyboard in one key/scale and leave another part alone. Now I can use Strum Electric with whatever scale I want and still have the strum keys using the same track and keyboard. Maybe this is 1986 tech for some but it is huge for me, it was cumbersome in S1 to do this and I ended up using 2 keyboards, now it is just part of my default Srtum patch, and I have Guitar Rig on the same MUX so the setup is so easy now MUX rocks.

Cool, I have piz too, I'll try that.

xx JPRacer xx · Post by **xx JPRacer xx** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:00 pm

braj wrote:
mutools wrote:MUX does not yet do auto PDC. You can do it manually using the "Pure Delay" module. However the latency reported to the host will still be 0 as it's not yet a supported feature. I've taken note of this on the MUX wishlist.
Under what circumstances is it necessary to use this module, and how do you determine the settings and where it goes in the signal chain? So far I haven't notices any latency but then I dont have the best hearing

If for example you process some sound with different FX chain in parallel, if the PDC is not correctly set, depending on the delay you'll generally hear comb-filtering effect because of some cancellation. You must then compasente with "Pure Delay" in one of the chain.

In the host, if you have a kick and a big chain of instrument(s)+effects in MUX, then the timing will be off and the instrument will be late compared to the kick or if it's a bass patch then you could have problem with low-end.

You'll have to add track delay to the kick since MUX isn't reporting delay to the host. Problem is you'll have to add track delay to all tracks, except the MUX one. And if you have another track with another MUX but with different delay then you must subtract the highest delay from lowest and add this result to the track with the lowest delay MUX (the other tracks must be set to the highest delay).

But as always, the important thing is if you can't hear any problem and the sound is fine then don't waste your time with this.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:06 pm

But it bums me nonetheless.

Still, when I have GR/recabinet and whatever fx I'm not feeling a delay at all. I don't understand shit anymore.

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:10 pm

xx JPRacer xx wrote:But as always, the important thing is if you can't hear any problem and the sound is fine then don't waste your time with this.

Best advice if you don't want become insane.

braj · Post by **braj** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:10 pm

Yeah I have been playing guitar with MUX with POD Farm, Amplitube, and Guitar Rig and none of them has any noticeable delay that I hear. I will leave this to the pros to worry about

Slarti · Post by **Slarti** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:10 pm

braj wrote: cool. Regarding pricey, there is a promo going on right now for 49 euros,

http://www.mutools.com/mux-shop.html

Thanks man! Didn't know that!

Time to crossgrade . . .

como baila · Post by **como baila** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:37 pm

xx JPRacer xx wrote:Problem is you'll have to add track delay to all tracks, except the MUX one.

Wouldn't it be easier to just slip the MUX track backwards/ earlier?

Como

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:05 pm

I dunno if I'd feel this way about it at 75 euros, but at 49 euros this really hits the spot

Wow, w/o being able to use tracktion or ext (I'm all x64

) I MISSED those modular days!

It's so much easier for complex routing than all the hoops you have to go through with a host (reaper in my case)

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:06 pm

Hey, BTW, is there a way to have a "mono" input? GR has a "left/right" selector on the front end but some other sims don't have that and I'd like to be able to compensate.

xx JPRacer xx · Post by **xx JPRacer xx** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 10:50 pm

como baila wrote:
xx JPRacer xx wrote:Problem is you'll have to add track delay to all tracks, except the MUX one.
Wouldn't it be easier to just slip the MUX track backwards/ earlier?

Como

Yes, but I think some hosts only allow you to add delay. But you're 100% right, this is much easier!

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:14 pm

braj wrote:Yeah I have been playing guitar with MUX with POD Farm, Amplitube, and Guitar Rig and none of them has any noticeable delay that I hear. I will leave this to the pros to worry about

I've not noticed a delay either but then I'm not recording anything in real time. Perhaps that's when the problem occurs?

como baila · Post by **como baila** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:34 pm

xx JPRacer xx wrote:
como baila wrote:
xx JPRacer xx wrote:Problem is you'll have to add track delay to all tracks, except the MUX one.
Wouldn't it be easier to just slip the MUX track backwards/ earlier?

Como
Yes, but I think some hosts only allow you to add delay. But you're 100% right, this is much easier!

It's all good!

We jus' don't want to confuse the newbies.

Como

braj · Post by **braj** » Thu Aug 09, 2012 11:46 pm

munchkin wrote:
braj wrote:Yeah I have been playing guitar with MUX with POD Farm, Amplitube, and Guitar Rig and none of them has any noticeable delay that I hear. I will leave this to the pros to worry about
I've not noticed a delay either but then I'm not recording anything in real time. Perhaps that's when the problem occurs?

Maybe. I don't generally record with effects on through my DAW anyhow. I have a soundcard with 0 latency and it has direct monitoring of its own DSP, or whatever

It is a Line 6 TonePort so maybe I just am avoiding it altogether that way. I usually record a live signal through PODFarm stand-alone with a basic amp or preamp into the DAW and add effects later. Anyhow if it isn't broke...

jbuonacc · Post by **jbuonacc** » Fri Aug 10, 2012 6:34 am

one thing that i don't think has been mentioned is that (afaik) the current 49euros deal only offers upgrades/support for MUX VST v1, while the full 75euros cost covers MUX VST v1 and v2 (whatever/whenever that is). it's a bit confusing, and i'm not even sure what v2 is or will be.

bought this the other night based on the enthusiasm expressed here, for some reason i didn't even demo it. not quite sure how i feel about it yet, and i've already got a wish/suggestion list that's as long as my arm. overall it seems pretty cool, hopefully i'll get some time to sit down and write up my thoughts on it.

Mulabs MUX is for sale