OXIUM -New Xils-lab synthesizer- [ Jp8 Comparison :) ]

[Kriminal]

One last question - what's going on with this white noise that's added with increased resonance [try this: set all osc gains to zero, open filter cut off fully and then slowly increase resonance - the noise becomes apparent from 50% res onwards and is still audible if you mix in some oscillator signal]?-

For "self-oscillation"? Perhaps a bit too much, it's clearly audible.

Hi Howard, as an experienced/knowledgeable and well respected sound designer, what is your overall opinion on this synth if I may ask?

You do know he works for u-he?

[stillshaded]

As far as the envelopes lacking snap, not a valid argument as you can do recursive modulation with them.

Not what I'd call recursive, but what you can do is route modwheel or velocity to the VCA and filter envelopes' attack and release, which does indeed increase the snappiness.

However, it's a cumbersome work around that's far from ideal, taking up four modulation slots and only working when modulation is applied, ie, it's proportional to modwheel/velocity with no way to globally fix the degree of 'snap'.

Surely, it would be preferable to have that kind of snappiness available using the standard envelope controls at their minimum settings?

recursive modulation = modulating a parameter by itself, no?

you can do this in Oxium, and it alters the curve of the envelope segments. You can get super snappy.

[Howard]

...as an experienced/knowledgeable and well respected sound designer, what is your overall opinion on this synth if I may ask?

not going there - sorry!

[Lotuzia]

All technical discussions aside, I wonder and sincerely hope that the sales for this (imho quite excellent) synth already have been (and further will be) a big succes.

Because hopefully that will lead us to even more full featured XILS-lab synths that have serial number protection only.

Has OXIUM been reviewed yet by any of the major magazines by the way?

Thanks Niels

Not reviewed yet, its too young, but reviews will come.

And also we plan to add a lot of very exciting and never seen features in Oxium in the future to try to make it an even greater success

Its only the beginning.

[hakey]

One last question - what's going on with this white noise that's added with increased resonance [try this: set all osc gains to zero, open filter cut off fully and then slowly increase resonance - the noise becomes apparent from 50% res onwards and is still audible if you mix in some oscillator signal]

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Howard]

(never mind)

[Sendy]

While a click firing off randomly isn't very musical, having that click at the beginning of each note is IMO one way to make a percussive sound cut thru the mix. You don't even hear it in a mix, so much as sense it.

When I started out with electronic music everything was sample-based, and a click always meant a bad edit and I avoided it, but these days, you know, lots of real instruments have a click sound related to their impact, and so it should be with some synth sounds.

Well same answer, just try the demo and you'll see. Oxium can be very punchy, no probs.

My statement wasn't about Oxium, just about the usefulness of clicks in electronic music.

FWIW, my experience of the Oxium envelopes was that you could coax more click/punch out of it by bringing in the attack a little bit. Made it "slam" more. All synths have different characters and I'm not complaining that they all respond slightly differently to eachother

[Kindred]

I am loving this synth so far - have been able to incorporate it into a few tracks already. Once the crackling bug is sorted this will be close to perfect...well apart from the ugly GUI however as I mentioned previously, better to have an ugly GUI and a beautiful sounding synth than the other way around...

[Lotuzia]

One last question - what's going on with this white noise that's added with increased resonance [try this: set all osc gains to zero, open filter cut off fully and then slowly increase resonance - the noise becomes apparent from 50% res onwards and is still audible if you mix in some oscillator signal]

So with selfresonnance only, zeroed oscillators, AND cut-off fully open ?

Well Mr Howard Scarr answered this ( "Perhaps a bit too much" ). Its just the way we tuned it for Oxium. ymmv

LtZ

[Lotuzia]

I am loving this synth so far - have been able to incorporate it into a few tracks already. Once the crackling bug is sorted this will be close to perfect...well apart from the ugly GUI however as I mentioned previously, better to have an ugly GUI and a beautiful sounding synth than the other way around...

Thanks Kindred, thats true the GUI color wont stay on your tracks, sound will

Btw some poeple love the orange GUI, some did get used to it after a while, and some dont like it that much, well, as always with aesthetics .....

[Lotuzia]

we all have different tastes, your opinion is as relevant as anyone's.

I personally think oxium sounds juicy but i can't use it anyway as i really am limiting myself to reason. But i enjoyed the demo very much.

I think as new sounds become available to showcase more of what it sounds like, the more and more it will become respected

Thanks Theo,

Too bad that you cant use it in Reason erf. Maybe an Oxium RE somewhere in the future ?

Its already quite respected and praised, but still very young, so indeed as I also think the number of users will increase gradually, hopefully we'll be proved right.

As for sounds, there a at least three additional soundsets schedulled here and there, including one from Simon from Soundsdivine. Probably more news quite soon.

Also there are already many audio demos on Xils Site that hopefully show how versatile it it ( including dozens of clips of separate instruments so you can really hear Oxium in total naked truth )

I plan to do some video tuts also asap.

LtZ

[Lotuzia]

As far as the envelopes lacking snap, not a valid argument as you can do recursive modulation with them.

Not what I'd call recursive, but what you can do is route modwheel or velocity to the VCA and filter envelopes' attack and release, which does indeed increase the snappiness.

However, it's a cumbersome work around that's far from ideal, taking up four modulation slots and only working when modulation is applied, ie, it's proportional to modwheel/velocity with no way to globally fix the degree of 'snap'.

Surely, it would be preferable to have that kind of snappiness available using the standard envelope controls at their minimum settings?

recursive modulation = modulating a parameter by itself, no?

you can do this in Oxium, and it alters the curve of the envelope segments. You can get super snappy.

Exactly

[hakey]

One last question - what's going on with this white noise that's added with increased resonance [try this: set all osc gains to zero, open filter cut off fully and then slowly increase resonance - the noise becomes apparent from 50% res onwards and is still audible if you mix in some oscillator signal]

So with selfresonnance only, zeroed oscillators, AND cut-off fully open ?

Well Mr Howard Scarr answered this ( "Perhaps a bit too much" ). Its just the way we tuned it for Oxium. ymmv

LtZ

No, not just with "selfresonnance only, zeroed oscillators, AND cut-off fully open" - that was my suggested method for *isolating* the effect.

The noise is clearly heard at lower cut off and resonance and, more importantly, is also heard when the oscillator levels are raised!

Any patch with >50% resonance has a significant and audible amount of white noise added to it - the effect is to add a fuzzy timbre. Perhaps this fuzziness is the 'warmth' that you claim some people have reported?

You are right, though - my miles do vary. This is a significant flaw for a synth being sold on the performance of its filter. The noisy resonance is just wrong.

[Lotuzia]

One last question - what's going on with this white noise that's added with increased resonance [try this: set all osc gains to zero, open filter cut off fully and then slowly increase resonance - the noise becomes apparent from 50% res onwards and is still audible if you mix in some oscillator signal]

So with selfresonnance only, zeroed oscillators, AND cut-off fully open ?

Well Mr Howard Scarr answered this ( "Perhaps a bit too much" ). Its just the way we tuned it for Oxium. ymmv

LtZ

No, not just with "selfresonnance only, zeroed oscillators, AND cut-off fully open" - that was my suggested method for *isolating* the effect.

The noise is clearly heard at lower cut off and resonance and, more importantly, is also heard when the oscillator levels are raised!

Any patch with >50% resonance has a significant and audible amount of white noise added to it - the effect is to add a fuzzy timbre. Perhaps this fuzziness is the 'warmth' that you claim some people have reported?

You are right, though - my miles do vary. This noisy resonance is just wrong.

False I dont hear "white noise" in "any patch with 50% + resonnance".

Anybody with ears can verify that in so many presets of the factory library, or by editing any of the init patches.

Sofar you have posted only negative comments about Oxium, but Im' not so surprised coming from the guy who declared abruptly a few months ago that "Xils-Lab could not have 0df filters", without the first beginning of a proof to back up your claim, for good reasons. Well people who can read will make their own opinion about your posts. As for myself, maybe I'm wrong, but I never believed you had the first real and authentic interest in Oxium, except to desperatly try to prove it sounds sOooooOOo bad. Plasticky. Noisy. With bad attacks, bad releases, bad filters, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc and finally etc ........

Anyway, thanks for visiting us and goodbye.