OXIUM -New Xils-lab synthesizer- [ Jp8 Comparison :) ]

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[Lotuzia]

Oxium sounds very good to my ears ;

However in makes me near apoplectic to discover that the analog sound it contains has the ingredient known as "white noise" . Those beloved and highly regarded analog synths of yester year had pristine circuits , with absolutley inperceptible, impossibly minuscule noise floors!!!
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The slider knobs were always cracking off my ARP Omni. I only have the demo of Oxium, but so far those knobs have stayed on - great job!

I think it's a fine sounding synth. As far as the filter noise, like everyone else I can reproduce it, but I'm not sure what the big deal is - seems like the rare self-resonating patch that will be affected. With oscillators in the mix resonance at that frequency is normally just unpleasant. At any rate it's a fine sounding filter. If this were a hardware synth we'd all love it and years later discuss that "weird filter quirk" we used to get a boiling tea kettle sound with whistle.

I've made some patches using selfrez at hi setting, and especially a padkeys where self res is rythmically controlled by some masks, and appears here and there at the top of the spectrum. It adds subtle harmonics like the icing on the cake and its very plesantly sounding.

As for noise floor of real analog synths, well I'd really wish some of mine had less, but its not a real problem : In the miw they do sound good, and I can add a noise gate sometimes.

[Lotuzia]

Oxium sounds very good to my ears ;

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Great job on this synth XLIS .

Thanks Contrary.

[Lotuzia]

we all have different tastes, your opinion is as relevant as anyone's.

I personally think oxium sounds juicy but i can't use it anyway as i really am limiting myself to reason. But i enjoyed the demo very much.

I think as new sounds become available to showcase more of what it sounds like, the more and more it will become respected

Thanks Theo,

Too bad that you cant use it in Reason erf. Maybe an Oxium RE somewhere in the future ?

Its already quite respected and praised, but still very young, so indeed as I also think the number of users will increase gradually, hopefully we'll be proved right.

As for sounds, there a at least three additional soundsets schedulled here and there, including one from Simon from Soundsdivine. Probably more news quite soon.

Also there are already many audio demos on Xils Site that hopefully show how versatile it it ( including dozens of clips of separate instruments so you can really hear Oxium in total naked truth )

I plan to do some video tuts also asap.

LtZ

I really like the xils stuff, but i also like the general sound of alot of the arturia stuff, and i notice alot of similarities in preset browsing and have read xavier is ex arturia, correct?

Anyway, yes i hope i didn't come across wrong, of course it is already well liked, but i meant to say it really needs different preset magicians to showcase it fully, so it's good to hear some stuff is coming.

As said, i don't think oxium can run as RE as RE can not use SSE instructions right now so i think oxium is too cpu hungry.

I had a few xchanges with Xavier over email and my opinion was to him to just wait a bit till the RE SDK was more mature.

Sure, i would buy any xils product as an RE without thought, but i will only buy one.. that's what i do now, i don't buy *everything* like i used to, i am learning to limit:)

so if i had to choose one, i think it would be poly KB. i don't know there is just something about that one that gives me goose bumps.. the actual; "sound".. hope you know what i mean.

Oxium can be shrunk and fit better in re rack though and still sounds great to me, especially for juicy pads and leads.

Synthix is far too complicated fore RE i think , sadly..

cheers!

p.s A complex synth sound like this would be really quite unique in reason, it would be a perfect complement to thor (which is wonderful but totally different sound)

I am pretty good at guessing what people want, and i think it would be a huge hit in the reason community

Correct but that was many many moons ago, and since this time the databased presets system has really changed a lot. And we're working on some very nice things to make it even better, and, what is the most important thinh, very usefull for musicians.

As well as on some things for the Synthix, wich will, amongst other things, make it less difficult to program, for both simple and very complex patches, as it can do both.

Around then sound designers worked for Oxium factory library presets, and some of them already worked for the Synthix presets, whose factory library was praised in many reviews, like the CM one. I hope Oxium will get the same kudos.

Each of the SDs has its own colour, identity, and I believe that, all in all, the Oxium factory library gives a good idea of how versatile Oxium can be.

That is, how powerfull it is in its current 1.0 frozen state, because we'll add some features over time that will increase its capabilities, believe me

As for RE, well time will tell

LtZ

[xx JPRacer xx]

I'm still have a problem with the Oxium inside the MUX with the GUI open.
No other synth has this problem. The GUI needs to be fine tuned.
As I said, no other synth so far malfunctions in it, which by now, the MUX is becoming the #1 tools in my arsenal.
I'm modulating the heck out of Oxium and it's becoming a modular synth when inside the MUX, but you'll need to fix it!!!!
I love the sound of Oxium but......

Hi LiquidSound,

We'll have a look at this asap.

Just drove 12 hours today to come back home : Holydays are finished

More on this issue later, or on Xils forum.

LtZ

I think the GUI code of Xils-lab products should have a re-write from scratch. Each time I try one of their product, either inside Reaper or Renoise, when their GUI are open and I tweak, everything inside the host re-draw super slowly. I don't know what GUI calls they're using, probably WinG or some old crap, but they should use DirectDraw or something better than what they are using now.

That's probably the main reason I don't use their products, I like to tweak with the mouse but hate the refresh problem.

[Lotuzia]

I'm still have a problem with the Oxium inside the MUX with the GUI open.
No other synth has this problem. The GUI needs to be fine tuned.
As I said, no other synth so far malfunctions in it, which by now, the MUX is becoming the #1 tools in my arsenal.
I'm modulating the heck out of Oxium and it's becoming a modular synth when inside the MUX, but you'll need to fix it!!!!
I love the sound of Oxium but......

Hi LiquidSound,

We'll have a look at this asap.

Just drove 12 hours today to come back home : Holydays are finished

More on this issue later, or on Xils forum.

LtZ

I think the GUI code of Xils-lab products should have a re-write from scratch. Each time I try one of their product, either inside Reaper or Renoise, when their GUI are open and I tweak, everything inside the host re-draw super slowly. I don't know what GUI calls they're using, probably WinG or some old crap, but they should use DirectDraw or something better than what they are using now.

That's probably the main reason I don't use their products, I like to tweak with the mouse but hate the refresh problem.

Sorry to hear that, and thanks for the report.

It works fine in all my hosts ( Cubase etc etc )( and it has to as I make all of my sound design so its used extensively )

If some people has the same problems with Reaper, please just let us know, as this host is very popular.

Also if you can give us some details on your system : OS and Host Version, 35/64, bridges or not )

[xx JPRacer xx]

The problem appear in both Reaper x32 and x64, no bridge and Renoise x32.

If the host is playing and I start moving some knobs with the mouse then I have frame drop. It's only visual but I really hate it. If I open a menu then the host stop re-drawing completely.

I think I remember u-he and Audio Damage having the same problem a long time ago but they have fix it now. If I remember correctly Chris Randall from Audio Damage was talking about GDI+ problem.

[carrieres]

i have the same problem with ableton and orion and i described the problem to Xavier, he will look at it after his holidays

[Trakstar]

One last question - what's going on with this white noise that's added with increased resonance

must work for Uhe too

Nope - apart from owning some of their pretty damned good software, I have no connection to u-he whatsoever.

Btw, any ideas for the next sock name when you get the inevitable ban on this one?

[kv331]

I think I remember u-he and Audio Damage having the same problem a long time ago but they have fix it now. If I remember correctly Chris Randall from Audio Damage was talking about GDI+ problem.

Could be related to "unnecesarily" using GDI+ to draw images even when there's no scaling. Using GDI in that case speeds up a LOT!

[Lotuzia]

One last question - what's going on with this white noise that's added with increased resonance

must work for Uhe too

Nope - apart from owning some of their pretty damned good software, I have no connection to u-he whatsoever.

Btw, any ideas for the next sock name when you get the inevitable ban on this one?

Forgot to answer this one.

Well I guess our friend Hakey just doesnt know exactly how self oscillation works in the real analog world, so well .......... :

A filter is a passive component, and only process the incoming signal : nothing in means .... nothing out, and this is very true in the digital domain. So whats happens in an analog synth : Thanks god, a certain residual noise is always present, even if at very low volume. This explains why you can get selfoscillation on some analog synths without feeding the input of the filter with oscillators zeroed, because there's still a signal coming, and the filter is "freerunning". So we tuned our algorythm this way, some will find its a bit too much noticeable, and some others not. Calling it a bug or whatsoever however is just a misunderstanding of what happens with real analog gear.

Hakey already had a part of the answer when Howard Scarr said him " maybe a bit too much" or something like that, but well .....

This said, in Oxium when the Oscillators are not zeroed or with an average level, you wont notice it at all, or barely. Otoh my Juno 60 for example can get very very noisy when the filter is entering self oscillation, wich only happens by the way if the rez is near max, ie between 9.5 and 10.


LtZ

[Lotuzia]

Btw the intro price period is extended because we received several demands to do so from people who are on holydays, cant purchase it, in addition to some other people who have ..... spent too much for the holydays sOoo ...

Well its true closing it in full midlle of August was maybe not the best idea.

We'll take this opportunity to fix a few more things, and I'll make a few tutorias vids, as well as try to replicate some JP8 presets during this time.

LtZ

[hakey]

Forgot to answer this one.

You mean, you've asked Xavier what's going on and he carefully explained it to you.

I guess our friend Hakey just doesnt know exactly how self oscillation works

Nobody knows *exactly* how any phenomena works - we only have models that approximate natural phenomena. [/pedant]

Hakey already had a part of the answer when Howard Scarr said him " maybe a bit too much" or something like that

I was already well aware that self oscillation requires some initial excitation. What I was questioning was why the noise is so clearly audible in Oxium, to the point that it significantly colours any patch with highish resonance.

[JoeCat]

Btw the intro price period is extended because we received several demands to do so from people who are on holydays, cant purchase it, in addition to some other people who have ..... spent too much for the holydays sOoo ...

Well its true closing it in full midlle of August was maybe not the best idea.

We'll take this opportunity to fix a few more things, and I'll make a few tutorias vids, as well as try to replicate some JP8 presets during this time.

LtZ

Extended till when (this one on my short list)?
And...not to bring THIS up again, but thanks for no dongle!

[hakey]

Fwiw, this post was originally a response to Howard's and said words to the effect, "Yep, that was my assumption and, yes, it is way too much".

But after seeing your hysterical response to Howard, and not wanting to further fuel your u-he paranoia, I deleted my comment and replaced it with "nvm".