KVR Audio

rifftrax · Post by **rifftrax** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:19 pm

schnapsglas wrote:I don't understand. Would you have been happier if the thread title was "Could Alchemy's development end up replacing Omnisphere's unique status from our workflow?" Because KVRers don't read anything except the thread title?

You probably already know this but kvr has something of it's own very deeply rooted subculture. There is a tendency for threads started by certain members who have been in the community for a long time to go fantastically and generally everyone hops on board the fun thread train and derailment (if it does happen) is typically done at the hands of a "kvr neophyte" who then is crucified by the kvr elite as being well, brash and noobish and for not understanding the finer unspoken rules of the internet audio engineering forum realm... for the unspoken rules are many and variegated in form and style.

If you find yourself fighting against the kvr elite, it is likely that your thread will be met with gnashing of teeth. Amen.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:19 pm

schnapsglas · Post by **schnapsglas** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:20 pm

vurt wrote:
schnapsglas wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:why cant the 'why cant alchemy be the new omnispehere' thread be the new 'utterly pointless comparison' thread?
Because it's not "Let's find out the differences between Alchemy and Omnisphere?"
oh, thats easy, one is limited to the inbuilt samples the other i can incorporate my own samples.

so, why cant omnisphere be the new alchemy would be a better thread title. still silly, but better.

I know the difference, so I said Because it's not "Let's find out the differences between Alchemy and Omnisphere?"

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:22 pm

schnapsglas wrote:
vurt wrote:
schnapsglas wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:why cant the 'why cant alchemy be the new omnispehere' thread be the new 'utterly pointless comparison' thread?
Because it's not "Let's find out the differences between Alchemy and Omnisphere?"
oh, thats easy, one is limited to the inbuilt samples the other i can incorporate my own samples.

so, why cant omnisphere be the new alchemy would be a better thread title. still silly, but better.
I know the difference, so I said Because it's not "Let's find out the differences between Alchemy and Omnisphere?"

in that case, i propose a new thread "why cant i learn to read betterer?"

carry on...

braj · Post by **braj** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:24 pm

schnapsglas wrote:
braj wrote:The thing is Omnisphere doesn't have a unique status in 'our workflow' there is no 'our workflow' your premise is bad to begin with. If you were asking for your own needs that is one thing, but there is no universal 'workflow' world where Omnisphere rules them all. I'm just saying
Alright, I'm sorry. Would you be happier if the thread title was "Could Alchemy's development end up replacing Omnisphere's status because (insert my first post here)?" You are just trying to pick out what is wrong with the thread title, and I am saying I believe the question is a legitimate one. And everyone has to go on about how this is a pointless thread while people have contributed their experience and viewpoints to it.

Go beyond status to your own necessity. Status is meaningless to a man who makes his living playing spoons.

schnapsglas · Post by **schnapsglas** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:27 pm

rifftrax wrote:You probably already know this but kvr has something of it's own very deeply rooted subculture. There is a tendency for threads started by certain members who have been in the community for a long time to go fantastically and generally everyone hops on board the fun thread train and derailment (if it does happen) is typically done at the hands of a "kvr neophyte" who then is crucified by the kvr elite as being well, brash and noobish and for not understanding the finer unspoken rules of the internet audio engineering forum realm... for the unspoken rules are many and variegated in form and style.

If you find yourself fighting against the kvr elite, it is likely that your thread will be met with gnashing of teeth. Amen.

Yeah, thanks for the reminder. I am surprised how some are willing to go further on why their criticism was legitimate than why this thread is not. Well, I learned few things.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:13 pm

vurt wrote:
schnapsglas wrote:
whyterabbyt wrote:why cant the 'why cant alchemy be the new omnispehere' thread be the new 'utterly pointless comparison' thread?
Because it's not "Let's find out the differences between Alchemy and Omnisphere?"
oh, thats easy, one is limited to the inbuilt samples the other i can incorporate my own samples.

so, why cant omnisphere be the new alchemy would be a better thread title. still silly, but better.

Yes, from the standpoint of my work and interest, that would be more like it... why is it that Omni is having this ridiculous limitation?... I am only allowed to use the samples they provide!

highkoo · Post by **highkoo** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:30 pm

Oh sure, this is that nasty KvR 'subculture'. Its not that there is nary a point to be made here...

(That roll is only for mcnoone!

braj wrote:
schnapsglas wrote:
braj wrote:The thing is Omnisphere doesn't have a unique status in 'our workflow' there is no 'our workflow' your premise is bad to begin with. If you were asking for your own needs that is one thing, but there is no universal 'workflow' world where Omnisphere rules them all. I'm just saying
Alright, I'm sorry. Would you be happier if the thread title was "Could Alchemy's development end up replacing Omnisphere's status because (insert my first post here)?" You are just trying to pick out what is wrong with the thread title, and I am saying I believe the question is a legitimate one. And everyone has to go on about how this is a pointless thread while people have contributed their experience and viewpoints to it.
Go beyond status to your own necessity. Status is meaningless to a man who makes his living playing spoons.

Geez, without this exchange I would have seen no point to this thread!

There is an assumption made about 'our' workflow. Then, when that is pointed out, there is an assumption made about the 'status' of Omni. As if that cannot possibly be questioned! As Im sure many of the Omni fanbois are thinking reading this thread. Omni is not the undisputed king for all of us.

A few have hit it right on the head: Omni is a preset warehouse, Alchemy is a tweakers playground.
Comparing them in a thread is asking for trouble.

dune_rave · Post by **dune_rave** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:46 pm

Back to the facts:
Omnispehere is at least 5 times larger than a "well equipped" Alchemy
So I think it keeps back some users....
What if your Computer needs a reinstall and you have to install your DAW,effects and synths again - Omnisphere "only" will take 1-2 hours.....

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:01 pm

dune_rave wrote:Back to the facts:
Omnispehere is at least 5 times larger than a "well equipped" Alchemy
So I think it keeps back some users....
What if your Computer needs a reinstall and you have to install your DAW,effects and synths again - Omnisphere "only" will take 1-2 hours.....

Actually there's no need - I only ever had to install it one time from the original DVDs, now I just keep a backup of the library on a USB drive and copy that across - then run the plugin installer and register it - takes just a few minutes.

JavaJ · Post by **JavaJ** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:18 pm

I am only responding to feel like I am part of the cool crowd who write awesome music and are hugely impacted by the fact that Alchemy is not Omnisphere or vice versa. I am cool now. I still don't write awesome music- regardless of owning Omnisphere. And Alchemy doesn't make me write better as well. But I am still cool.

dmbaer · Post by **dmbaer** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:21 pm

Nobody has mentioned one factor that is really important to some of us: documentation. Alchemy is the gold standard for synth doc. They supply a 200+ page pdf that you can print. Omnisphere has some html pages that are a pain to print and which don't go very deep. Both synths have extensive and impressive capabilities. Camel does a far, far better job at letting you in on how to use those capabilities.

Arglebargle · Post by **Arglebargle** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:32 pm

Why can't my ass be the new Pepsi?

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:39 pm

highkoo wrote:A few have hit it right on the head: Omni is a preset warehouse, Alchemy is a tweakers playground.
Comparing them in a thread is asking for trouble.

Trouble you say? And asking for it? I'm deeply troubled (not to mention emotionally scarred by the harsh tone of this thread). But now that you (not you, highkoo, that other you) have asked for it, if it's not too much trouble I'll notify my troubled crew to send 2 gigs of horribly troubled samples. But only one product could be troubled to play them.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:45 pm

Why can't Gearslutz be the new KVR?
Why can't the pope be the new Dalai Lama?
Why can't minor sound like major?
Why can't loud be soft?
Why can't rain be sunshine?
Why can't can't Diva sound like Zebra?
Why can't Zebra sound like Diva?
Why can't Omnisphere be the old Diva?
Why can't the old Zebra be the new Alchemy?
Why can't I be you?
WTF...

Why can't Alchemy be the new Omnisphere?