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Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:51 pm

Hink wrote:I have a friend that is in love with everything Suhr

They definitely do quality. Even their Chinese guitars rival most American guitars and their Riot pedal is the best all-around high-gain pedal I've found.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 7:27 pm

Hink wrote:
Uncle E wrote:
hibidy wrote:One of the things I just HATE about 99% of real amps I play through is how horrible they are at volume. I mean, if you have the volume all the way down and sound is coming through, LAME! I also really hate noisy switches This has noisy switches. No blackstars at GC They seem to consistently have the best volume control, gain, switching. The more expensive the amp I play through, usually the more they suck.
Try a Suhr Badger 18. The power scaling it uses sounds incredible, it isn't nearly as transparent as they claim but it does sound extremely good. In fact, there were a lot biting Marshall Jubilee-type tones that I was only able to get with the power scaling turned low, which I couldn't replicate with the power scaling off.
I have a friend that is in love with everything Suhr

Yeah, I'd everything suhr too

I'm guessing that our local stores with NEVER EVER EVER NEVER have a suhr anything

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:04 pm

Uncle E wrote:
Hink wrote:I have a friend that is in love with everything Suhr
They definitely do quality. Even their Chinese guitars rival most American guitars and their Riot pedal is the best all-around high-gain pedal I've found.

he posted a pic once of one that looks just like my latest ESP/LTD (even ver sinilar paint), he came over and played mine and despite the fact I had it in a funky tuning he loved it.

This guy is an awesome guitar player that grew up with my wife in a town 30 miles away (Somerville Mass) and by luck he lives here at our complex. I gave him my old Peavey CS400 a few months ago (the amp that gave me a hernia

), he also is really impressed with the iso cab from when it was stock (and he still is) and he likes the new Frenzel with it's choice of power tubes. I do not invite many people into my home to jam but he has a permavite, listening to him play my Warmoth (hardtail so he could tune it to standard with ease) through my Frenzels it's hard to imagine he could possibly sound better...with any other gear.

FTR

the Suhr he posted (not his, just what he wants)

My guitar at close to 2K less

of course my wont hold the value but I haven't sold a guitar that belonged to me since I was a youngen

Liero · Post by **Liero** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:10 pm

bmanic wrote:I have no idea what else they have currently on their modeling side. I own a Yamaha DG Stomp as well but it's now broken. It had some awesome modeled tones and that's now like 5-6 years old. They were always way better at modeling than line6.

Have you tried their newer HD amp models? With the HD series they dumped all the hundreds (!) of their older models and made about twenty new ones. Haven't tried them myself, but some guitar people whose opinion I value have said that the newer stuff is on a whole new level. I agree that the old Line6 was pretty crappy, harsh, "digital" and unpleasant fizzyness all around.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:11 pm

I like that guitar Hink. I always thought you did well wit dat.

I'll never have a suhr. The closest thing to a really "expensive" guitar I might do that EBMM SM (I'm thinking about going down there right now and giving it a more dutiful play) But again, probably won't shell the coin for that.

Besides, it's not ibanez

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:32 pm

Hink wrote:

Any Korean-made LTD is fantastic value for the money, as I'm sure yours is, but that Suhr is absolutely DDG.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:39 pm

Liero wrote:Have you tried their newer HD amp models? With the HD series they dumped all the hundreds (!) of their older models and made about twenty new ones. Haven't tried them myself, but some guitar people whose opinion I value have said that the newer stuff is on a whole new level. I agree that the old Line6 was pretty crappy, harsh, "digital" and unpleasant fizzyness all around.

Here is my video of the Kemper:

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:51 pm

hibidy wrote:I'll never have a suhr.

The Rasmus guitars are cheaper than most of your Ibanez's. The Guthrie Govan signature model is boutique in every regard. Personally, I'll take my $600 Ibanez Prestige 3120 over my Tom Anderson or Melancon and I'll take my Suhr Custom Classic over any of them.

The closest thing to a really "expensive" guitar I might do that EBMM SM (I'm thinking about going down there right now and giving it a more dutiful play) But again, probably won't shell the coin for that.

Did you check out that EVH Studio that we talked about on the "My Next Guitar" thread? I'm still interested in those, particularly if there are any Japanese ones still available.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 10:00 pm

Those are not hardtails though right? And no, none of the stores here have those. A couple of years ago one store had an EVH and it was nice, but you couldn't pull back on the trem. If I get a trem, it's got to float.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:14 pm

Uncle E wrote:
Hink wrote:
Any Korean-made LTD is fantastic value for the money, as I'm sure yours is, but that Suhr is absolutely DDG.

actually the truth is I dont hear how any guitar looks but I like the look of mine over the Suhr for one reason...I'm not a fan of chrome on guitars, not for any other reason other than personal taste.

Chrome for bikes and cars
but not on my guitars

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:20 pm

I wish all my guitars were chrome instead of that lame cosmo chrome bs

Hey, love talking about guitars

Especially since the next guitar thread is dead

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:14 am

hibidy wrote:Those are not hardtails though right? And no, none of the stores here have those. A couple of years ago one store had an EVH and it was nice, but you couldn't pull back on the trem. If I get a trem, it's got to float.

Nope, not hard tail. Neither are the Rasmus's.

Warmoth has a killer 1-piece mahogany Jackson-style body available, just rub some gun oil on it and you'll have a killer guitar:

http://www.warmoth.com/Showcase/Showcas ... ce&i=SL337

tapper mike · Post by **tapper mike** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:19 am

Hibidy,

Surprised you never tried a Yamaha THR 10

It's not like my cube. They have vca's in the tone controls so they react as tone controls would the actual amp models.

Yeah must full size amps really lose all their tone in lower gain settings. The original Naylor amps didn't (as far and few between as there were) but they didn't have built in reverb

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:06 am

Uncle E wrote:
bmanic wrote:I have no idea what else they have currently on their modeling side. I own a Yamaha DG Stomp as well but it's now broken. It had some awesome modeled tones and that's now like 5-6 years old. They were always way better at modeling than line6.
I have one of those. It was pretty good when it was released but I personally don't think the amp modeled tones are very good. It does make for a great multi-effects pedals with the amp modeling turned off, though.

Indeed. Mine broke already many years ago so I'm probably clinging on to the nostalgia which is distorting my perception of how good the unit was.

I remember buying it due to the rugged construction as I was doing a few gigs a month still at that time.. and you are right, I mainly used it as an effects unit as we had a proper amp on stage every time.

I did record two songs with the models only and think they were awesome.. high gain tones though.

Cheers!
bManic

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:09 am

tapper mike wrote:Hibidy,

Surprised you never tried a Yamaha THR 10

It's not like my cube. They have vca's in the tone controls so they react as tone controls would the actual amp models.

Yeah must full size amps really lose all their tone in lower gain settings. The original Naylor amps didn't (as far and few between as there were) but they didn't have built in reverb

It works just like S-gear or any of the more sophisticated amp plugins. The master volume of the amp and thus poweramp/speaker distortion is modeled properly and works really great. The secret sauce is the combination of the amp models and the actual "cabinet" and speakers of the THR-10. It's just such a beautiful thing to listen to. Kind of how the Yamaha DG stomp thing never sounded as good as the DG amps.. or Line6 pedals/kidnies never as good as an actual Line6 amp miked up.

The REAL gem in the bunch of amp models in my opinion is the Bass amp model. They want you to plug a bass in the unit but it sounds absolutely awesome with a guitar. I have a feeling it's going to be one of my "secret weapons" in the future. Neck mic + the bass amp model = instant punchy and dynamic goodness with a bit of grit if you crank the gain, master and all tone controls. It's a pretty unique sound that I played for over an our in the music shop (they had to remind me that the shop has already closed!).

Cheers!
bManic

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