Why can't Alchemy be the new Omnisphere?

[pdxindy]

Alchemy also is more versatile than Omni for sound morphing...

[A.M. Gold]

I think it would be a good idea for anyone contributing to this thread, to indicate whether or not they OWN Omnisphere (or have extensively used it in a studio that owns it). Reason being: there is no demo of one of these, there is a demo of the other (though maybe somewhat feature restricted, I'm not sure).

I don't own Alchemy but I have the Player and one expansion for it and I've demoed the full version, so I know a fair amount of what it can do. I do own Omnisphere.

I think they are both very good, and I may eventually buy Alchemy Full.

[munchkin]

The samples used in Omni are better than in Alchemy in my opinion.

definitely. i was at a friends house and he had atmosphere i nearly shit myself. i cant even fathom how good the omnisphere samples are.

Having used Atmosphere in the past it doesn't come close to Alchemy in sound quality and versatility. I suspect that 45GB of Omnisphere samples won't improve on Alchemy's sounds at all. They're both capable of great sounds and have some stunning sound banks available to them.

I own Stylus RMX and the sound quality is great but it's clunky and restrictive in comparison to Geist and can't touch BFD2 in terms of sound quality. So if we're comparing Spectrasonic products and the competition a little humility and a lot less hype is required.

You don't want hype, you do want humility, but apparently rampant subjectivity and speculation is a ok on your side.

I like a bit of balance which is obviously way beyond your capability. As an Alchemy owner and having used Atmosphere extensively in the past I'm basing my judgement on experience. You don't own the full version of Alchemy apparently and you're defending an opinion that the samples used in Omni are better than Alchemy based on no evidence and you're lecturing me about subjectivity and speculation.

All this hype about Omnisphere is as silly as the fanboys who claim that UAD plugins are always better than native. As a UAD owner I know that's bullshit but that doesn't stop them trying to hype their exclusivity because they know that no one who isn't a UAD owner is able to call them on it. They also come up with pseudo-science like DSP chips make the plugins sound better - rather like that Omni's samples are better than Alchemy's nonsense I criticised.

[munchkin]

I think it would be a good idea for anyone contributing to this thread, to indicate whether or not they OWN Omnisphere (or have extensively used it in a studio that owns it). Reason being: there is no demo of one of these, there is a demo of the other (though maybe somewhat feature restricted, I'm not sure).

I don't own Alchemy but I have the Player and one expansion for it and I've demoed the full version, so I know a fair amount of what it can do. I do own Omnisphere.

I think they are both very good, and I may eventually buy Alchemy Full.

If you're going to stipulate rules let's add another one: provide actual evidence for differences in sound quality or don't get in a huff when this is challenged.

[Uncle E]

On a typical project I will have say 2 or 3 Alchemy instances and 1 Omnisphere.

Omnisphere is 8-part multitimbral.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the DECADES that have gone into making the Omnisphere library. Alchemy could easily become the next Omnisphere if Spectrasonics licensed those samples to Camel.

[foosnark]

What exactly do you think presets are? They are sounds. If you make your own sound- guess what? It's a preset.

Why not take your logic one step further, and just stop making music? After all, someone else has already made music, so you don't have to.

[LeVzi]

I remember when Omnisphere came out then Alchemy was tipped to be it's big rival. As good as Omnisphere is, I personally think Alchemy won the war just down to sample import. The sound of both is stunning, I don't own Omni, but i've heard so many demo's of it, yet I own Alchemy and love it to bits.

If Omni had sample import and Alchemy had Omni's sample library, they'd both be perfect.

[standalone]

I remember when Omnisphere came out then Alchemy was tipped to be it's big rival. As good as Omnisphere is, I personally think Alchemy won the war

You are not talking about sales, obviously.

[standalone]

I think it would be a good idea for anyone contributing to this thread, to indicate whether or not they OWN Omnisphere (or have extensively used it in a studio that owns it). Reason being: there is no demo of one of these, there is a demo of the other (though maybe somewhat feature restricted, I'm not sure).

I don't own Alchemy but I have the Player and one expansion for it and I've demoed the full version, so I know a fair amount of what it can do. I do own Omnisphere.

I think they are both very good, and I may eventually buy Alchemy Full.

If you're going to stipulate rules let's add another one: provide actual evidence for differences in sound quality or don't get in a huff when this is challenged.

Maybe not evidence, but unbiased opinions:

www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=339520

[ATS]

Back to the facts:
Omnispehere is at least 5 times larger than a "well equipped" Alchemy
So I think it keeps back some users....
What if your Computer needs a reinstall and you have to install your DAW,effects and synths again - Omnisphere "only" will take 1-2 hours.....

Not if you keep all your sample content on a seperate hard drive like I do.
Really it would be silly not to imo.

[munchkin]

On a typical project I will have say 2 or 3 Alchemy instances and 1 Omnisphere.

Omnisphere is 8-part multitimbral.

I'm surprised no one has brought up the DECADES that have gone into making the Omnisphere library. Alchemy could easily become the next Omnisphere if Spectrasonics licensed those samples to Camel.

Spectrasonics sample libraries are excellent. I don't think anyone would dispute that. Stylus RMX has some fantastic sounds for example but I find the self-contained nature of the plugin unappealing. I also don't find the presets that come with it suited to the kind of music I make. I find Geist more suited to the way I work.

That's why I like Alchemy because it has some excellent mainstream sounds as well as more experimental expansions which I find I can alter in incredible ways. Perhaps this is possible with Omnisphere but it seems more suited to musicians who need a huge number of presets. I don't think one is better than or trying to replace the other.

[munchkin]

I think it would be a good idea for anyone contributing to this thread, to indicate whether or not they OWN Omnisphere (or have extensively used it in a studio that owns it). Reason being: there is no demo of one of these, there is a demo of the other (though maybe somewhat feature restricted, I'm not sure).

I don't own Alchemy but I have the Player and one expansion for it and I've demoed the full version, so I know a fair amount of what it can do. I do own Omnisphere.

I think they are both very good, and I may eventually buy Alchemy Full.

If you're going to stipulate rules let's add another one: provide actual evidence for differences in sound quality or don't get in a huff when this is challenged.

Maybe not evidence, but unbiased opinions:

www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=339520

Interesting thread but it has one person banging on about how bad many of Alchemy's factory sounds are despite Camel Audio and Alchemy sound designers explaining that in many cases the additional sounds and expansions for Alchemy are of the highest quality. I don't think accusing Camel Audio of recording their sounds in a kitchen with an iPhone is an unbiased opinion.

Personally, I often find the sample based sound of samplers like Kontakt 5 too clinical and lifeless. These sounds sometimes sound great played on their own but dominate a mix unless adequately eq'd. But if I wanted a sampled piano I wouldn't use Alchemy. Generally, I find Alchemy's synth sounds fit much better in a mix. So my definition of sound quality isn't limited to bit depth, layers or any other technical restrictions.

[JavaJ]

What a pointless thread- yet I keep reading and responding. I am such a twit!

[vurt]

I remember when Omnisphere came out then Alchemy was tipped to be it's big rival. As good as Omnisphere is, I personally think Alchemy won the war

You are not talking about sales, obviously.

are the sales figures for either product known/available?

not that i care either way, both are great products but both are very different from one another too.
its just theres an ad break on tv so i figured id post.

[Ben H]

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get any more stupid... now we are down to judging the superiority of each synth based on the number of sales.

By that logic then, Toyota's must be superior to Ferrari's and Porsches, because they sell far more.