piz midi looper (beta!)

[Jed]

I'll check the timing in Reaper. Recording from Reaper's virtual keyboard it seems right, but there was another report of the timing being wrong when recording from an external midi input in Reaper so I'll have to test that.

Any news on this Piz?

Cheers
Jed

[insertpizhere]

Many thanks from me too!

There appears to be an issue with the seperate Scale/Transpose now.....

- When Use Transpose Ch is selected and Thru and Monitor are enabled, the Note Ons (but apparently not Note Offs) from the Transpose Ch are passed thru to the active slot, resulting in notes that shouldn't be played and that hang.

Now fixed in version 1.4.10 (I think...).

I'll check the timing in Reaper. Recording from Reaper's virtual keyboard it seems right, but there was another report of the timing being wrong when recording from an external midi input in Reaper so I'll have to test that.

Any news on this Piz?

Cheers
Jed

Working on it... I confirmed the problem but haven't figured out what causes it.

[Jed]

awesome - cant wait for a fix!

Cheers
Jed

[captain caveman]

Now fixed in version 1.4.10 (I think...).

Cool, that's it zapped... cheers!

[yellukhan]

Hello
Piz
there is a problem with automation parameter names
in the list too many ( i think 128 ) identical names as = ("TransposeChanne")
after 15 letter seems rest is missing..
this makes trouble using ML in Audiomulch
also i tested in Reaper and FL too ,names are same..

[insertpizhere]

1.4.11:
- shortened long parameter names
- added "Slot Limit" control to limit the number of available slots (default 16)

[ForestCat]

Piz,
I see this is on the ToDo list. If it's been implemented, I can't find it. If not, any ETA? Here's what I'm trying to do:
Everything is sync'd to the Bidule transport controls/clock/song position.
With the transport running and a percussion sequencer, etc. also running, I need to have Looper in "record-ready" (track armed). It should begin to record as soon as it sees MIDI input. When I "punch out", it should start looping, with the loop start quantized to the bar.

Is this a total pipe dream? I've scoured the internet for this functionality for MIDI (plenty for audio...), but all I find are Ableton & Zyklus, neither of which will run as VST's.

This is for live performance w/ MIDI guitar. I'm pretty desperate, man. Can you give me any hope on this? It would be a boon for anyone like me who is more concerned w/ recording on the fly as opposed to using canned loops.
Thanks so much for all your hard work.

[captain caveman]

Could I put in a FR?....

When in Sample mode, unless I check "Wait for Next Bar" for whatever loop I want to start with, it starts at different places. When checking this option though there is the delay for the timer to reach the next "bar". Since it isn't synced to any actual bars it'd be great if pressing play on the first loop to be triggered would set the start of the bar, for an immediate start from the beginning.

[Ashley_Pomeroy]

I'd just like to thank you massively for this - I've been looking for something similar for ages. It's stable, clever, works well. I use Audiomulch, which is very powerful but has a blind spot with sequencing.

Two things, though. I'm running it inside Audiomulch, Windows XP 32-bit, Thinkpad X60. The slot chaining doesn't seem to work as it should. I can tell it to play a slot a certain number of times, and then skip to slot 8, 16, 24, 32, 40 - only multiples of eight. I can't tell it to skip to slot 2, for example (if I manually type in "2" or "02" it puts in a STOP message instead).

It's workable, but it means that I have to restrict myself to slots 8, 16, 24 etc.

Also, and it's mentioned earlier, but anything you can do to bring the CPU usage down will be splendid and I will love you long time.

[maki]

Piz,
I would like to suggest a functionality for Midilooper and Forcetokey plugin that could make Tr.Channel obsolete and Midilooper and Forcetokey much closer to an realtime auto accompaniment-like tool:
1-userdefined Keyrange (one octave is enough) where noteinput for note recognition should happen
2-a function that works inside Keyrange and defines Root Note automatically, based on a note striked with velocity higher than a user-defined Root Note Velocity Treshold( f.ex.higher then 120)
3-next-played note with velocity lower than Root Note Velocity Treshold should automatically set the Transpose parameter based on its nearest distance from the Root Note
4-a note under 3. and other incomming notes with velocity lower than Root Note Velocity Treshold should activate the note on/off switches.
5-when last of abovementioned notes is released, new notes from Keyrange should be treated from step 2.

thanks

[ocmtime]

@maki

this velocity thing is too uncommon.
it may work for you but I have never heared of such a system in any auto accompaniament software.

can you point to device with an actual implementation of such an aproach ?

[maki]

I never tried newer accompaniment keyboards or software but this solution is so simple and obvious that I don't need a confirmation from existing solutions.

If this solution finds a place in MidiLooper or Forcetokey plugin, I would also like to see a polyphonic-aftertouch controlled way to constrain some notes that are more then one semitone away from played notes. That way one could force notes from greater range to achieve even greater harmonic richness.

Thanks for comment.

[ocmtime]

@maki

I reread your post and I am starting to get the ideea better.
please explain point 3 a little.
why would you want the transpose to be influenced by a note other than the root ?
wouln't that make the midi loop pattern to play in the wrong musical key ? ( a key different from the chord played from which the root is detected by velocity)

[maki]

Thanks for feedback! I am not a programmer, this idea is not tested so it could be wrong in some details. All those transpositions, not to mention possible hanging notes!
I just want to make Piz or somebody else interested in general concept so I could use it one day.

[bronswerk]

I don't want to hijack this thread, but Zyklus Improvisor has something similar where chord recognition/harmonizing and transposing are combined. It's not velocity based but it simply depends on how many keys are pressed. When 2 notes or more are inputted chord recognition is executed and sequences are forced to play in the scale set by the chord recognition. If only 1 note is inputted sequences are diatonic transposed (meaning always in scale) of the last recognized chord. The rootkey is the center key of the transposition.