rolling back to xp tonight from windows7

[Harry_HH]

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multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect

All you do is " /3GB" to the end of that line. So now you have something like:

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multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Microsoft Windows XP Professional" /fastdetect /3GB

That's for xp. Read the directions for doing so in vista/win7 32 bit as it's different.[/quote]


I noticed that my XP pro had already this 3GB in the end of the boot.ini.
I wonder if that was set by the guy who installed this to me years ago or was it made by the MS? H.

[Coxy]

The problem with Microsoft stems from them being a massive bureaucratic organization with tons of administrative overhead. Plenty of things that "make sense" to people like you or I require intense amounts of push on so many levels to institute that the people in the organization that actually have to power to manage authorizing such "forward-thinking" changes or actions usually are so burnt out on redundant projects that they don't care enough to try.

This is why most big companies are such encumbered lumbering slugs when it comes to actually allowing significant obviously brilliant changes in infrastructure or project development to occur. They are living in the industrial age paradigm of business, as opposed to utilizing what Steven R. Covey refers to as the "knowledge worker" paradigm as described in his book "The 8th Habit" (great read).

So the bullshit cycle is needlessly perpetuated and people are kept in the dark.

I worked in a big corporation and you pretty much nailed EVERYTHING right on the head!

I would use XP without a doubt if I didn't have the requirment to run 8gb of ram. I dont hate 7 - it's nice but XP for a DAW platform imo is (was) the way forward.

[rifftrax]

When a business, or art and craft for that matter, is completely just greed and money driven, that's never good, and it's doomed to fail at some point and start producing garbage, since the quality of product will be hurt by the wrong corporative policies, and they're always wrong, since all that matters to a corporation is profit, not to provide their customers with the best product, but the best product that creates the most profit for them! That's where the proprietary technologies come in and BS like that...

The funny thing about this is, is that if a company truly were "greedy" in the most classic sense of the word (pure profit motivation) then they would be far far more inclined to operate under the "knowledge worker" paradigm that bestows trust and autonomy among honorable and principled individuals (those with a very high level of social and emotional intelligence) working for the corporation to in a sense 'unlock' the underlying potential of those individuals because that really is the only scenario where a business makes the sought after "holy-grain" style gains in efficiency and innovation.

Surprisingly, most companies don't suffer from too much greed or ambition. Rather, they suffer from being more plain stupid than anything. Management and general business administration is the Achilles heel here because the best business' operate on the ideology that the higher-ups should be bestowing a level of both responsibility and authority that places more trust in their own employees than their competitors are able to do. Now, if you've actually done your HR homework and hired the right individuals who truly are decent, honest, hardworking people who have the potential to go places in a company (upward mobility) and take on immense amounts of high-level administration-type tasks, then there is nothing to say you can't actually depend on them to make decisions that older business models assume can only be made by a management team (i.e. creative and general infrastructure decisions that they probably have the most experience with anyway by working the particular niche that they are working).

All IMHO, of course... but it also comes from personal experience, as I've seen it first hand at work when I was working for one. It's more like working for "Borg". "You are not an individual any more", "you will be assimilated", and working for the "Ferenghi" at the same time "profit is the god". They were just concerned about how to squeeze out more bucks out of the customers, not how to make a better product.

You're closer than you think. You share the opinion of many of the front-runners of the more progressive schools of business thought these days. Things have changed immensely in the business administration environment and the typical approach that worked 50 years ago is a little more than outdated now. You can get results that way but it is a needless uphill battle. Why work against your employees (the so called carrot-and-stick approach) when you can actually work with them? It's such a silly question but so many business' would do really well to start asking it of themselves. People are not dumb animals. They are dynamic, often brilliant motivators who work best when allowed to operate in an environment that they know they work best in. Your employee makes that decision. Not the business. A business can only harness it.

It must be an interesting book, thanks! Cheers!

Stephen Covey was a rather brilliant businessman and educator. The 8th habit though I think was the best book he wrote.

I noticed that my XP pro had already this 3GB in the end of the boot.ini.
I wonder if that was set by the guy who installed this to me years ago or was it made by the MS? H.

That's actually a good question. I couldn't be sure.

I worked in a big corporation and you pretty much nailed EVERYTHING right on the head!

I've worked for both quite a number of small and big business' including developing a number of small business plans and watching a number of business' fail. I've fought against CEOs and COOs doing business consultation and seen quite the gamut of both some of the stupidest and some of the most brilliant responses to market forces and employee feedback (immensely valuable stuff that is...) that you could imagine.

The interesting thing I found is how very very few people in a management level of business actually are capable or real leadership. It's a pretty pathetic ratio (competent leadership in managerial roles to incompetent leadership in managerial roles).

For example, a business I was working for recently decided that I wasn't worth the extra money I requested for some very detailed general engineering and business consultation I was doing for them in helping to develop their product lineup and direct where it would be most profitable to concentrate their efforts. I quit and they hired 3 people to replace me at an equivalent combined wage of likely about 2.5x what I was making individually. This doesn't account of course for the lack of experience each of these individuals represented on many levels vs. what I had been doing and the fact that they are now looking at increasing levels of turnover as I had a couple very very good friends there that now are very suspicious of their management's competency.

Bad business decision? Absolutely. It was positively stupid for them not to even formally address the wage and stature requests I made and in boht the short and long term will end up costing them a rather absurd amount of money and resources. This isn't an example to say "hey look, I'm this awesome", rather - things like this happen on a daily basis to all kinds of individuals who are devalued and subtly undermined by their own workplace. It's sadly the norm.

So many business approach their employees on the level of "if you leave, your life will suck and you will never find a better job!", which is basically akin to what an asshat controlling boyfriend/girlfriend with security issues does. In a business administration environment, someone's insecurities and competencies are amplified a hundred-fold. You want to understand the kind of person someone really is when the cards are down and chips are on the table? Give them a management position in a job. It becomes very obvious very quickly how principled and competent they truly are in such an environment.

[DuX]

LOL [at the last paragraph] and so true rifftrax for the rest of it. In my case, I was often regarded as a very capable and knowledgeable computer expert, but all that was *not* needed for my kind of job [computer systems maintenance] and the last stupid boss kicked me out on the premise of being "overqualified". Well, the amount of work I had to do was somewhat impeded by my knowledge and attention to detail, to tell the complete story, and I'm aware of that. But all he wanted was more work done, regardless of the quality of work, and that's what I completely don't agree with. So that's when I decided to start a business of my own. Less profitable, but I'm not "overqualified" for it, and the "product" is of superior quality, up to my standards, not "Chinese factory standards". It *almost* made me believe that I'm somehow "falty", but since I've started my own business I discovered that many people actually really appreciate their computers being taken cared of properly, with an attention to "details".

disclaimer: I have nothing against Chinese, but most of their factories could use a more thorough quality assessment teams of people. However, in China the same rule applies: quantity over quality.

[VitaminD]

The interesting thing I found is how very very few people in a management level of business actually are capable or real leadership. It's a pretty pathetic ratio (competent leadership in managerial roles to incompetent leadership in managerial roles).

Wayy off of the topic... but interesting conversation.

I, and another person, were cut from one job even after pleading by local management that it would be a bad idea. 6 months later, after poop hit the fan, they called me back asking if I wanted my job back with a little extra cash.

Then, in another event elsewhere, management whittled down the department I was in from 4 to 1 over the course of a couple of years. I was last of the 3 to be cut. I found another job quickly (Thanks to God!). However, A few months later, they called, asking if I'd come back and offered me a 35% raise!! It was an enjoyable job as far as work goes.. but management was thinking irrationally, so I couldn't accept even though I enjoyed the people and work I had there at a 'lower' level. They ended up hiring a consultant at even HIGHER rates than with the huge raise they offered me. They could have avoided the whole scenario by just not worrying with it as I and my colleague had no intentions of leaving for a long time; a smooth functioning machine needs no tinkering.. but poor management thinks that if it works THAT good that we don't need all of those people.

No, it works THAT good because you have decent people who have 'gelled' and perform their work well with each other. Don't mess with that!!

[DuX]

Great story VitaminD! Thanks for sharing it! Yeah, a bit offtopic... LOL Let's consider it a little intermezzo in the thread?

It clearly shows how there's lack of management skills, logic, and rational thinking, too, in people who god-knows-how get to sit into the management seat of a company. My wife works for such a badly run company, but thankfully not for much longer as she's going to sack *them*. LOL Good girl. She can find a better place to work easily, though. There's been lots of irrational decisions going on lately at her company, made by the stupid, completely irrationally thinking management, and they made unnecessary cuts when everything was working perfectly. Sheer greed for more profit, but in the long run the company will suffer greatly from making these cuts, and probably even go under, we think.

So...

"No, it works THAT good because you have decent people who have 'gelled' and perform their work well with each other. Don't mess with that!!"

EXACTLY! Agreed absolutely! LOL Cheers!

[metamorphosis]

How to check in the Win system if this 3 GB switch is enbaled or not? H.

Have a look at the guide in my sig, -> Additional tips -> Hardware Stuff.

I have to say, waisted time, I didn't get the information, i.e. simple
instructions what really to do to check this XP 3 GB switch.
The trouble with these "expert" papers for those who are not computers entusiaths, is a) difficult to evaluate what the tweaking really makes to you computer because every move has both up- and downsides, b) is difficult to find out what to really do. Therefore is fustrating to read this kind of (i.e. "why don't you tweak this and that") comments and advices such as "just read this paper/book/article. We "stupid" people who really are keen on what TO DO with the computers rather than the computers itself need more simple instructions. I'm sure the purpose was good, the result not. H.

Christ you're stupid.
I purposefully pointed out the exact place in the page where the exact information was, and you went and read everything on the page except that exact place, and then you blame me for providing too much info?

That's actually pretty cool. I did just happen to read the thread about sonar x1 benchmarks between win8 and win7 so it appears that may truly be the case (would be awesome). Do you know what the install size is slated to be around?

Around 20GB if I read correctly! As opposed to 600MB for a fresh install of my windows ver.

2)if you can in the simple way make your computer run better why is OS constructed "in the factory" in the way it is, i.e. there must be also downside with this kind of tweaking.

Nope, there is none. You just get the ability to access more resources. Like many xp tweaks...you really encounter zero problems when it's implemented the correct way.

Not quite true - if your XP install isn't stripped back, you Can run into problems when the OS doesn't have enough memory address space, and causes crashes as a result. But a stripped-back (nlite'd or at Least highly-tweaked, including services tweaks) shouldn't have any probs.

[Throbert]

Go XP64 pro, but it's not for managers.

[flux82]

ok an *update*

i soldered the burnt out wire on my backlight, fixed the screen flickering and then loaded in windows xp and so far i'm loving it.. feel i can really get into making music now without "compatibility issues" and sh*T

i haven't used windows xp in years, ive been on vista and just the past year windows 7

i'm running a core 2 duo T5800 2.Ghz processor with 4gb ram but im getting about 2.84gb out of this a four year old laptop but it's enough for me

the biggest advantage for me right now is the sequencer timing problems have disappeared with tracktion, i always thought it was just a bug.. for example..

if you put down a 4 bar loop and copy and paste this.. holding down the cntrl v button to run off endless copies.. what would happen for me is that eventually they wouldnt snap to grid.. and the files with would end in say 4.0.00 in legnth would change to 4.3.99 and 4.3.98 ..the gap getting wider the more you pasted, this used to piss me off to the point it became a bit unusable for me.. so i demoed other sequencers around but always still used tracktion, thinking back now when i first used tracktion on xp i never had this problem.. and the thought of vista/windows7 being the cause never entered my head.. only recently when i tried another sequencer it too had the same problem so i thought maybe this is just how the internal engines work on software sequencers???

well no obviously not!!

and i'm delighted now to say i can run off hundreds of copy and pastes and they all snap to grid!

so now i figure it's windows vista/windows 7 that have this little problem with some sequencers timing, maybe you can try it yourself.. i think it might have something to do with 64 bit processing 0's and 1's and the floating point thingy? i'm not sure.. but vista 32 and windows 7 64 had this for me

other than that windows xp is nice and simple to use in other areas too and i can finally work my zip disk to swap files now (wont work with windows vista or windows 7)

i still have windows 7 on my "real" laptop but it has 6gb memory.. i dont 64 bit at the moment for audio production and putting windows 7 32 bit on it seems like a big waste of ram so yeah...

[metamorphosis]

if you put down a 4 bar loop and copy and paste this.. holding down the cntrl v button to run off endless copies.. what would happen for me is that eventually they wouldnt snap to grid.. and the files with would end in say 4.0.00 in legnth would change to 4.3.99 and 4.3.98

More likely you've got Tracktion display/grid in seconds-minutes view rather than beats-bars view,
or that snapping is turned off,
or that your clip doesn't actually run all the way to the end of the bar.
Also that's what the loop button is for - makes that sort of thing way easier, provided no further editing on the copied clips...

[IncarnateX]

If it ain't broken, don't fix it. That is how I feel about win XP.
Anything beyond XP scares the crap out of me. Took me years to learn to tweak XP to my liking. Even the thought of starting all over again, not at least reinstalling of all my programs on a new system, makes me despair in deep pseudo-depression.

I just customize XP for audio, turn of all services and stuff I don't want and go.

I don't say there aren't benefits with win 7, but they would be out of my range of ambitions and not worth the potential trouble.


Happy XP returning to the OP. You are not alone.

[flux82]

if you put down a 4 bar loop and copy and paste this.. holding down the cntrl v button to run off endless copies.. what would happen for me is that eventually they wouldnt snap to grid.. and the files with would end in say 4.0.00 in legnth would change to 4.3.99 and 4.3.98

More likely you've got Tracktion display/grid in seconds-minutes view rather than beats-bars view,
or that snapping is turned off,
or that your clip doesn't actually run all the way to the end of the bar.
Also that's what the loop button is for - makes that sort of thing way easier, provided no further editing on the copied clips...

no it was definitely something to do with how the sequencers timing (tried a few) interacted with windows vista 32bit, i exported lots of loops in various tempos and checked the actual file sizes against others exported elsewhere, imported and exported many times to check this problem, also checked the wav file headers to make sure they were all the same so byte by byte everything was equal.. you could take any sound at any measure/size and duplicate it and eventually it would start duplicating itself a few ticks short, by about 2-3 ticks but it all adds up makes a difference.. and i'm not actually sure about windows 7 64 bit but i just installed windows 7 32 bit now and i don't have this problem either.. also want to mention that the timing of midi going out was a bit sloppy with vista also so i think this was the problem? something internal with the vista clock system?

so, windows xp 32 and windows 7 32 work fine for me now, im really happy i got rid of that problem..

and also saying that another *update * i installed windows 7 32 bit and got rid of xp after all now.. reason being is that this is a laptop and i don't have any external audio card to run it on other than the inbuilt realtek which is very jittery/laggy with audio and cursor positions and even spiking the cpu bar i also tried asio4all but that didn't help.. sooo back to windows7 32 bit now with realtek again but the jittery audio/midi problems are gone.. happy so far now.. i guess i wont be able to use my zip disk after all - it's always give and take!

i only wanted to load up a zip disk and swap sounds between laptop and sampler, simple as that.. the sampler had internal recording of sequences which could be saved to zip and loaded on the laptop..

but i can always do it the old fashioned way and actually use the sampler analog in/outs for recording

[flux82]

i have to admit now windows 7 is better, i got the wrong impression with windows 7 64 bit - that's just not for me, but windows 7 32 bit is just like a more streamlined xp, i'm using windows basic theme and with all the uac and firewall baloons and such turned off and it's actually grand now.

now i just have to figure out why my cpu is overheating lol... i'll probably have to replace the lcd screen as it was a hack job in soldering back the melted cable inside and using this dodgey chinese lcd invertor might not be helping either

[metamorphosis]

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Only difference between w7 64-bit and w7 32-bit is one is 64bit. There's no streamlining going on. I think you might be better off buying a new laptop.

[osiris]

I switched off the 'Aero' feature in 7 and there was no noticeable effect on CPU in my DAW. Turned it right back on.