Reaper Updates?

[jam92189]

Reaper is a great budget DAW but lets not be mistaken here, it has more long standing issues and feature requests than any other DAW around

I know for a fact that Sonar is the leader - having issues more than 10 years back - which is before Reaper even existed - so they are leaders alright.

I have no doubts about Cockos commitment to build the best daw ever. And they have come a long way.


The strategy is by far very different for Reaper - not selling on all this bling-bling stuff. Just a raw and naked - very good daw.

And you have a lot of money left over to buy the commercial products that you REALLY need and want.


I would say competition is trying to nail you down with how they shipping addons in locked propriety formats. Once used to these - you have to switch tools as well as you switch daw.

Some are really disturbed by pricetag not being high enough for Reaper.
To you all - pay more - get less.

you know I do have a lot of things I don't like about reaper tons of little things. but what about how pro tools did not have the ability to do gain control before the fader up until the more recent versions. reaper is not a IKEA DAW its a DAW that has no bloat. no fancy stuff and works great. now If I needed to lets say do a composition I would go with cubase but I work with audio and so far I have done work quicker with the way reaper works. but because there is nothing fancy we at least see updates will little things quick and you cant say that about big price tag DAW's

[lfm]

you know I do have a lot of things I don't like about reaper tons of little things. but what about how pro tools did not have the ability to do gain control before the fader up until the more recent versions. reaper is not a IKEA DAW its a DAW that has no bloat. no fancy stuff and works great. now If I needed to lets say do a composition I would go with cubase but I work with audio and so far I have done work quicker with the way reaper works. but because there is nothing fancy we at least see updates will little things quick and you cant say that about big price tag DAW's

I think Reaper has plenty fancy stuff - raw and naked as it is.
I most familiar with Sonar though, but recently checked out S1v2.

I think routing in Reaper fenomenal. You have these available channels on every track you can use as you like and route anything anywhere - audio or midi as well. And for plugins you also easily choose in a patch bay which audio channels go where.

Customization as well with plenty themes to choose from, and thinking about how easy you can create your own JS plugins do midi manipulation any way you like(anyway being programmer as I am). And not the least - manual is well written. And it's darn stable daw.

I like how Reaper track folders work. Very easy to get rid of unwanted children both in track view and mixer view.

Many things like using VST midi plugins, or using audio plugins that require midi as well, or using midi out from plugins, or routing one track to any other - none of that was doable in Sonar last time I checked.

Maybe Sonar X2 now did something about audio engine that crackles and pops before any other daw would.

Only things I miss from Sonar are staff view and the way it's implemented and the built in help system is really good too.

[jam92189]

you know I do have a lot of things I don't like about reaper tons of little things. but what about how pro tools did not have the ability to do gain control before the fader up until the more recent versions. reaper is not a IKEA DAW its a DAW that has no bloat. no fancy stuff and works great. now If I needed to lets say do a composition I would go with cubase but I work with audio and so far I have done work quicker with the way reaper works. but because there is nothing fancy we at least see updates will little things quick and you cant say that about big price tag DAW's

I think Reaper has plenty fancy stuff - raw and naked as it is.
I most familiar with Sonar though, but recently checked out S1v2.

I think routing in Reaper fenomenal. You have these available channels on every track you can use as you like and route anything anywhere - audio or midi as well. And for plugins you also easily choose in a patch bay which audio channels go where.

Customization as well with plenty themes to choose from, and thinking about how easy you can create your own JS plugins do midi manipulation any way you like(anyway being programmer as I am). And not the least - manual is well written. And it's darn stable daw.

I like how Reaper track folders work. Very easy to get rid of unwanted children both in track view and mixer view.

Many things like using VST midi plugins, or using audio plugins that require midi as well, or using midi out from plugins, or routing one track to any other - none of that was doable in Sonar last time I checked.

Maybe Sonar X2 now did something about audio engine that crackles and pops before any other daw would.

Only things I miss from Sonar are staff view and the way it's implemented and the built in help system is really good too.

you know all the good points you mentions is why i use reaper like I said there are lots of small tiny tiny things that could be maybe refined. but as DAW I love it. and yes I do love that staff view that sonar had I used sonar a few times at a friends house it was okay I just really like the workflow in reaper the best for me

[JoseC.]

Many things like using VST midi plugins, or using audio plugins that require midi as well, or using midi out from plugins,

All that can be done with Sonar since ages ago. Anyway, comparing Reaper to Sonar midiwise is ridiculous, midi sequencing in Reaper is so behind of all the major DAWs that it is not funny anymore. Check Reaper's own midi forum for details. About stability, I can consistently crash Reaper throwing midi data from hardware arpeggiators and groove boxes to it, while Sonar will record everything perfectly in sync (Reaper's sync sucks), and handle sysex dumps, too (don't ask that from Reaper, it speaks less sysex than I do Japanese). I could go on and on (item based editing that won't allow continous editing of a midi track is another good one, no simple and honest groove quantizing...the list is long).

A good audio only app, though, fabulous for recording and mixing. But for midi, especially if you want to use hardware instruments and you want to keep everything tightly in sync, Reaper is not even a contender.

[jam92189]

Many things like using VST midi plugins, or using audio plugins that require midi as well, or using midi out from plugins,

All that can be done with Sonar since ages ago. Anyway, comparing Reaper to Sonar midiwise is ridiculous, midi sequencing in Reaper is so behind of all the major DAWs that it is not funny anymore. Check Reaper's own midi forum for details. About stability, I can consistently crash Reaper throwing midi data from hardware arpeggiators and groove boxes to it, while Sonar will record everything perfectly in sync (Reaper's sync sucks), and handle sysex dumps, too (don't ask that from Reaper, it speaks less sysex than I do Japanese). I could go on and on (item based editing that won't allow continous editing of a midi track is another good one, no simple and honest groove quantizing...the list is long).

A good audio only app, though, fabulous for recording and mixing. But for midi, especially if you want to use hardware instruments and you want to keep everything tightly in sync, Reaper is not even a contender.

exacly how I feel amazing daw for audio just not that great for midi but at least they try to slowly fix little things.

[Kraznet]

The one killer thing I like about Reaper is that you can put mixer tracks into a folder.

[AstralExistence]

buying reaper is like buying a barebones computer. you buy reaper on the cheap then slowly build it to your specification.

[hibidy]

When I got the reap, it was a happy accident. Guys, it's my fault, once I decided to make it my one and only, they decided:



So, I screwed it up. I hope you can forgive me.

[jam92189]

When I got the reap, it was a happy accident. Guys, it's my fault, once I decided to make it my one and only, they decided:



So, I screwed it up. I hope you can forgive me.

no we cant ever forgive you...

















alright why not ur forgiven

[lfm]

All that can be done with Sonar since ages ago. Anyway, comparing Reaper to Sonar midiwise is ridiculous, midi sequencing in Reaper is so behind of all the major DAWs that it is not funny anymore. Check Reaper's own midi forum for details. About stability, I can consistently crash Reaper throwing midi data from hardware arpeggiators and groove boxes to it, while Sonar will record everything perfectly in sync (Reaper's sync sucks), and handle sysex dumps, too (don't ask that from Reaper, it speaks less sysex than I do Japanese). I could go on and on (item based editing that won't allow continous editing of a midi track is another good one, no simple and honest groove quantizing...the list is long).

A good audio only app, though, fabulous for recording and mixing. But for midi, especially if you want to use hardware instruments and you want to keep everything tightly in sync, Reaper is not even a contender.

There are still exceptions for Waves products regarding Sonar X1D about using audio plugins with midi. If you have anything later - congratulations. And midi out on plugins is no-no as well(haven't run X1D though).

Compatibility chart for Waves:
http://www.wavesupport.net/Objects/Imag ... V9_pc.html

Sonar record everything in sync - well, the last bug report I did was for that midi clips in Sonar were not placed according to used PDC. It does for audio, but not midi. Bypass all plugins and you fine though.

But maybe plugins using host sync work better in Sonar, I cannot tell - never had to use one. Are you running x64 plugins with the problems you mention - or are they bridged? For some plugins jBridge work better if x86. That is the case for both Sonar and Reaper bridging.

When I insert a Waves plugin in Sonar that is stereo, and track was mono, Sonar crashes. And Sonar is a supported daw by Waves. When clicking the stereo button for the track first, it insert fine. You allways the feel you have to be on your toes working with Sonar.

And not to mention VVocal which is built into Sonar and the rituals that users describe when using - not to make it crash. Absolutely no multiple instances - that is like asking for trouble. That emphasise this instability even more.

I run Waves Tune in Reaper. Reaper is not a supported daw even by Waves. For Sonar it just says - Not supported.

Melodyne has other issues with Sonar, you cannot run loops in Sonar - it will make Melodyne just continue playing on the track - not loop.

So for pitch correction where do you go - if not Reaper!

The process for handling bugs is completely open for Reaper - at best you get a email saying your bug report were registred for Sonar. And every couple of month there are fixes for Reaper as well as new features.

The overall feel for me is still - Sonar puts a lot of restrictions on what I can do - Reaper doesn't.

[JoseC.]

There are still exceptions for Waves products regarding Sonar X1D about using audio plugins with midi. If you have anything later - congratulations. And midi out on plugins is no-no as well(haven't run X1D though).

Sonar record everything in sync - well, the last bug report I did was for that midi clips in Sonar were not placed according to used PDC. It does for audio, but not midi. Bypass all plugins and you fine though.

I don't currently use Waves plugins, so I can't say anything about that, but it seems a Waves specific issue. Searched the Cakewalk forums and it does not look like people are having much trouble with them. Anyway, Sonar do support midi in/out in audio plugins, you only need to configure them for it. You just select "configure as synth" in its properties, and Sonar should see its midi I/O when you insert it in an audio FX bin. I used to use Waves Morphoder years ago and it worked perfectly.

About your sync issue, my first thought is that your sync master may be set to "Internal" instead of to "Audio". It's in the manual, have a look at it.

[Astromann]

I tend to agree about Reapers syncing issues, I had problems with it a while back when trying to run the Seq off my M3 to midi sync in Reaper, it was fine in Logic tho.
That said, I definitely dont agree that Reaper is so far behind all other main DAW's in midi, depends how you use it I guess.
But I do lots of midi (90%) and a lot of Automation, loads of work in the Piano roll, playing in stuff from my Korg M3 (just note data) and it does everything I want, and I want a lot...as I have used Logic for many years.
Its ahead of Logic in some areas of midi these days, and Logic is used by far more Midi people than Sonar ever will be (not wanting to start a theme of whats the most popular and all that) but Logic is well known for Midi and practically all electronic music users name Logic as their main app for composing...Super 8, BT, the list goes on and on.
I have written environments for Logic (some time back tho...but it has not changed much) so I know a reasonable amount about controller data, sysex and standard input midi, now when I first switched to Reaper a year or so ago I really felt Reaper was lacking, but they did a lot of work on the piano roll a while back and these days I am quite happy and like a lot of the new features.
Of course it still needs improving...thats for sure, but to say its so far behind all DAW's is not true, maybe that applies with sync issues to external clocks and the like, but not in desktop style midi, composing etc..automation...definitely not.

[JoseC.]

Iknow a reasonable amount about controller data, sysex and standard input midi, now when I first switched to Reaper a year or so ago I really felt Reaper was lacking, but they did a lot of work on the piano roll a while back and these days I am quite happy and like a lot of the new features.
Of course it still needs improving...thats for sure, but to say its so far behind all DAW's is not true, maybe that applies with sync issues to external clocks and the like, but not in desktop style midi, composing etc..automation...definitely not.

Well, my point has always been that MIDI is a communications protocol between discrete devices. For an app to claim that it fully supports MIDI, IMO it should be able to deal with syncing external clocks, sending and receiving data dumps, and such, plus all the expected editing facilities. The "traditional" MIDI sequencers like Logic, Cubase and Sonar all meet these requirements. Newer apps, like Reaper, that consider MIDI mainly an in the box thing, tend to fail or show weaknesses in some of these areas.

[V'ger]

midi sequencing in Reaper is so behind of all the major DAWs that it is not funny anymore.

Not true.

while Sonar will record everything perfectly in sync (Reaper's sync sucks), and handle sysex dumps, too (don't ask that from Reaper, it speaks less sysex than I do Japanese).

Not true. It reads and writes sysex perfectly to and from my hardware synth and sync is fine too.

[Monkage]

Sync is not fine, as soon as you use more than one MIDI output at a time to multiple hardware synths it goes all over the place, the devs have known about this for many years and have no interest in fixing it

This is FACT not heresay and you can look through the forum to see the issue mentioned time and time again.