Phrasing in electronic music and the curse of predictability

[ghettosynth]

I don't think I'm a better person because I can get enjoyment out of Varèse while others can't.

My point, which perhaps wasn't clear to you, is that you have no data AT ALL on what others get enjoyment out of. You have NO IDEA whether people who have never heard any of Varèse's work will get enjoyment out of it on first or subsequent hearings. You don't even know whether people are familiar with him or his work, nor do you have any idea what their preferences are in general.

What value does even suggesting such a thing add to the conversation? Nothing in my opinion.

You didn't understand my last paragraph - your reply makes that abundantly clear - so calling it nonsense is kind of nonsensical.

No, I understood that it was nonsense just fine. Don't blame the reader if you are unable to make your points clear. Your statement here is simply another face of the arrogance that pervades this thread.

this thread has become like most EDM - predictable and boring.

Not unlike your prejudice and pseudo intellectual pretension.

[ariston]

My point, which perhaps wasn't clear to you, is that you have no data AT ALL on what others get enjoyment out of. You have NO IDEA whether people who have never heard any of Varèse's work will get enjoyment out of it on first or subsequent hearings. You don't even know whether people are familiar with him or his work, nor do you have any idea what their preferences are in general.

Yes I do. Because I talk to and interact with them. In real life, you know? Your point is no point. Besides, you obviously feel you have enough "data" to support your claims. Look up "projection" on Wikipedia.

I'm not blaming you, I'm stating a fact. You didn't get my meaning, and it's not because my words aren't clear. You just don't understand them to their full extent. You can huff and puff and turn beet-red all you want, it's still very apparent.

Oooh! "prejudice and pseudo intellectual pretension" - now who's being pejorative? You're so uptight you can't even recognize a joke.

I'm out of this one. Feel free to reply with the full weight of your self-righteous indignation again, if you like. I'm sure you'll make a lot of new friends that way.

[ghettosynth]

My point, which perhaps wasn't clear to you, is that you have no data AT ALL on what others get enjoyment out of. You have NO IDEA whether people who have never heard any of Varèse's work will get enjoyment out of it on first or subsequent hearings. You don't even know whether people are familiar with him or his work, nor do you have any idea what their preferences are in general.

Yes I do. Because I talk to and interact with them. In real life, you know? Your point is no point.

We would call that a biased data set. It is subject to how people interact with you owing to your own prejudices. Fortunately, empirical investigation has moved beyond relying on the opinion of priests.

Besides, you obviously feel you have enough "data" to support your claims.

My "claims" such as they are, are not opinions that suggest entire groups of music aficionados are somehow intellectually deficient or have some need to "broaden their horizons."

I'm stating a fact. You didn't get my meaning, and it's not because my words aren't clear.

I'm sure that you believe that, as I'm equally sure that you think that you are saying something interesting. If you genuinely believe that I've misunderstood your perspective, then why wouldn't you clarify your intent? I can certainly think of some reasons why you avoid engagement, but you probably wouldn't find them all that flattering.

Oooh! "prejudice and pseudo intellectual pretension" - now who's being pejorative? You're so uptight you can't even recognize a joke.

Yes, it's clear that you aren't able to tell the difference between what you did, which was to label an entire group of individuals with no data to support your pseudo-intellecutal claims, with what I did, which was to criticize you for your prejudicial position.

I'm out of this one. Feel free to reply with the full weight of your self-righteous indignation again, if you like. I'm sure you'll make a lot of new friends that way.

You've said that once already. FYI: I've found that some people aren't worth being friends with.

[sjm]

I guess my feeble attempt to get this topic back on topic failed then.

[ghettosynth]

Progressive rock is almost by definition anti-pop.

almost by definition. But not quite. So the definition of 'progressive' you want is 'anti-pop'.

basic principles of pop: anti-virtuosity, appropriation, an adaptation of
technology, creative experimentation and the idea that 'anyone can do it'.

I'll take Simon's definition over yours. Which, if your reading skills had any chance of competing with your loud screechy internal rantalogue, should have been obvious that his definition was what I had in mind.

[ghettosynth]

I guess my feeble attempt to get this topic back on topic failed then.

Sorry, I was trying to help, believe it or not. I responded to your post in some detail.

[jancivil]

this is actually the music theory board. you need to get into all of this bi'ness describing dancing - to 4/4 with nothing crossing the bar, evidently - in esoteric lingo. this is a great hijacking success, I have to give you that. there is nothing mysterious about simple subvision by two of 4/4, buddy. There is no story you can write to make it so.

[ghettosynth]

this is actually the music theory board.

The question is with respect to ideas of repetition in relation to EDM, so, I've presented several reasons why such ideas are manifest the way that they are in EDM.

If anything, the topic should be moved. However, given that it hasn't, and this isn't exactly the intellectual forum of your fantasies, I'm pretty sure that my posts are as reasonable as your rants.

[jancivil]

so the trick is to confound dancers with musicians; so everybody that can masturbate is a porn star too. why not.
this is straight up copping a vicarious identity.

in terms of talking about music, you have practically nothing to offer. you're competitive with musicians for some reason so you come up with lingo to 'embiggen' yourself. it's a strange manifestation of an ego structure that hasn't found its outlet. you could become a journalist with this outlook, maybe try that?

[jancivil]

this is actually the music theory board.

The question is with respect to ideas of repetition in relation to EDM, so, I've presented several reasons why such ideas are manifest the way that they are in EDM.

yeah, you have lingo to make being severely restricted in the area of rhythm take up tons of space. what a wank. The reasons why people are allergic to crossing the bar ever is expounded upon at length. You don't have musical reasons for it, you have esoteric stories about dancing and now going in and out of trances, extracurricular activities. you need to make it something legitimate in musical terms? you have 4 divided by two three times = 32nd notes so far, and you evidently know what a bar line is.

[ghettosynth]

...moved to the next page

[jancivil]

hasn't, and this isn't exactly the intellectual forum of your fantasies, I'm pretty sure that my posts are as reasonable as your rants.

look, if you must engage at this level, I don't mind getting this locked. You need to try and get these little digs in. It's just so small of you, you cannot hold your own with content, and this is always going to be your compensatory tactic. There is nothing you can say that cuts me down to being your peer.

[ghettosynth]

so the trick is to confound dancers with musicians; so everybody that can masturbate is a porn star too. why not.
this is straight up copping a vicarious identity.

And now you've confounded sex with music, I'm not surprised.

[ghettosynth]

hasn't, and this isn't exactly the intellectual forum of your fantasies, I'm pretty sure that my posts are as reasonable as your rants.

look, if you must engage at this level, I don't mind getting this locked.

In short, you can dish it out, but you can't really take it. You really have no room to instruct others on staying above board. We need read no further than the next line to see this.

There is nothing you can say that cuts me down to being your peer.

Indeed, you aren't my peer, we both know why. amiright?

[ghettosynth]

The way to handle some of this is to stick with the 4 or 8 bar structure, but come up with phrases that carry across the bar.

The Pixies were great at this.

So, in fact, is a lot of electronic music, even EDM. I don't know why anyone would think otherwise.