KVR Audio

kev2525 · Post by **kev2525** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 3:31 pm

donato wrote:
_leras wrote:
kev2525 wrote:Nobody here seems to rate massive?
I do. It's still the best and most useable soft synth by far!!
massive is shit to my ears, but i prefer analog and analog emulations. even as a digital i strongly dislike it for what it is.

I suppose it's really a matter of what genre you are into. I bought a maschine recently and so I'm excited because I'm getting massive. I guess I'll make my mind up when I get it.

Crackbaby · Post by **Crackbaby** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 4:31 pm

I learned today about massive coming in 1.8! What a bonus! Could almost have expected it as NI had a big sale on Komplete ... so now that everyone who wanted Massive bought it, they will get it for free

Damn weasels!

zenhiser has a sale that ends today ... and they have several massive preset packs ........ not sure i need more than what comes with Massive .. but still... zenhiser make some pretty extremely awesome great samples

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 5:07 pm

Ingonator wrote:
mcnoone wrote:
Is there any synth out there that has the sound quality of U-He Diva?
NO!
http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/jup8.php

http://www.vintagesynth.com/moog/moog.php

http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/jup6.php

http://www.vintagesynth.com/roland/juno60.php

http://www.vintagesynth.com/korg/ms20.php

Maybe next time he should say softsynth or plugin and not just "synth"...

Ingo

You are quite right... he should have said softsynth... and then the answer would indeed be 'no'

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 6:24 pm

Urs wrote:The foremost aspect of sound quality is of course aliasing. I've written various times how oversampling alone does not solve the problem - a perfectly anti-aliased oscillator will cause the same aliasing artifacts in a subsequent filter no matter what the sample rate, if there isn't a downsamling/upsampling step inbetween. Thus, the first aspect in finding a Diva competitor should be a synth that oversamples each module (VCOs, VCFs, VCAs, FX) *individually*, or at least has very steep lowpass filters inserted into the junctions of the signal chain.

Might it be possible to give users the ability to adjust the oversampling for each module? Not only would this give us more control over how much CPU DIVA uses but it would also be interesting to hear for ourselves how the oversampling affects the individual modules.

Personally, the only reason I can see that anyone would want an alternative to DIVA is for lower CPU-usage.

_leras · Post by **_leras** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:07 pm

donato wrote:
_leras wrote:
kev2525 wrote:Nobody here seems to rate massive?
I do. It's still the best and most useable soft synth by far!!
massive is shit to my ears, but i prefer analog and analog emulations. even as a digital i strongly dislike it for what it is.

I can only imagine you aren't using it properly.... I realise that is potentially inflamatory, but I do wonder how deep you've gone with it.

It can do really great VA stuff, just lower the oscillator volume going into the filter and boost the output and it does nice things. It certainly does the best 303 emulation short of something dedicated.

For every sound you think it can't make well I'm sure there would be a good example somewhere of it making just the sound you thought it didn't...

_leras · Post by **_leras** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:17 pm

Uncle E wrote:
Urs wrote:The foremost aspect of sound quality is of course aliasing. I've written various times how oversampling alone does not solve the problem - a perfectly anti-aliased oscillator will cause the same aliasing artifacts in a subsequent filter no matter what the sample rate, if there isn't a downsamling/upsampling step inbetween. Thus, the first aspect in finding a Diva competitor should be a synth that oversamples each module (VCOs, VCFs, VCAs, FX) *individually*, or at least has very steep lowpass filters inserted into the junctions of the signal chain.
Might it be possible to give users the ability to adjust the oversampling for each module? Not only would this give us more control over how much CPU DIVA uses but it would also be interesting to hear for ourselves how the oversampling affects the individual modules.

Personally, the only reason I can see that anyone would want an alternative to DIVA is for lower CPU-usage.

I can't really see any need to go complicating things by giving a quality setting for each component... would you really want something like that? Accuracy and off line accuracy are more than plenty...

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:25 pm

_leras wrote:It can do really great VA stuff, just lower the oscillator volume going into the filter and boost the output and it does nice things. It certainly does the best 303 emulation short of something dedicated.

For every sound you think it can't make well I'm sure there would be a good example somewhere of it making just the sound you thought it didn't...

That's certainly correct for me. I'm a Massive user and haven't gotten any sounds out of it that are anything close to what DIVA can produce. I also haven't gotten it do a good 303 emulation. Can you show us some examples?

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:26 pm

_leras wrote:I can't really see any need to go complicating things by giving a quality setting for each component... would you really want something like that? Accuracy and off line accuracy are more than plenty...

Perhaps. We won't know until we hear it for ourselves, right?

electro · Post by **electro** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:38 pm

Uncle E wrote:
_leras wrote:It can do really great VA stuff, just lower the oscillator volume going into the filter and boost the output and it does nice things. It certainly does the best 303 emulation short of something dedicated.

For every sound you think it can't make well I'm sure there would be a good example somewhere of it making just the sound you thought it didn't...
That's certainly correct for me. I'm a Massive user and haven't gotten any sounds out of it that are anything close to what DIVA can produce. I also haven't gotten it do a good 303 emulation. Can you show us some examples?

Who gets into synths like DIVA and Massive for 303 sounds?

For 303 you need d16 Phosycon and recently I heard about Venom.

The whole point of being ITB is that you can have many different synths which specialize in a different type of synthesis. I dont see why 1 synth has to do everything.

donato · Post by **donato** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 8:39 pm

I'm not a fan of 303 sounds, but it's good to know Massive isn't good at them either. Anyway, _leras is basically a troll on this board anyway.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:42 pm

_leras wrote:
donato wrote:
_leras wrote:
kev2525 wrote:Nobody here seems to rate massive?
I do. It's still the best and most useable soft synth by far!!
massive is shit to my ears, but i prefer analog and analog emulations. even as a digital i strongly dislike it for what it is.
I can only imagine you aren't using it properly.... I realise that is potentially inflamatory, but I do wonder how deep you've gone with it.

It can do really great VA stuff, just lower the oscillator volume going into the filter and boost the output and it does nice things. It certainly does the best 303 emulation short of something dedicated.

For every sound you think it can't make well I'm sure there would be a good example somewhere of it making just the sound you thought it didn't...

I own Massive, used it a fair amount and listened to lots of various audio examples from it... I am just not a fan of its sound. It is a quality synth, the gui is well designed, good feature set... but it just does not make me go wow this sounds good... so I took it off my machine. I don't miss it at all...

The thing I liked most was the variety and quality of noise... but I surpassed that with Diva and Bazille

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:50 pm

electro wrote: For 303 you need d16 Phosycon and recently I heard about Venom.

Got Phoscyon (and Drumazon) with the summer deal (30% off) and both are awesome.

Ingo

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:22 am

electro wrote:Who gets into synths like DIVA and Massive for 303 sounds?

It's like the 303 cartridge for my ATC-1, it doesn't make it sound like a 303 but it does make it sound different from when the Mini, SEM, or 2600 cartridges are used. DIVA with selectable 303 modules would be incredible!

Anyway, the 303 is just an example that _leras brought up. I'm a huge D16 fan.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:23 am

donato wrote:Anyway, _leras is basically a troll on this board anyway.

hehehe

I'd still love to see DIVA get 303 modules, not to mention Odyssey modules, Prophet-5 modules, and VCS-3 modules. I'd be totally open to u-he selling these as module pack upgrades for DIVA, sort of like what they did with ZebraHz.

btw, the Virus TI does a crappy 303, too.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 12:45 am

Uncle E wrote:
donato wrote:Anyway, _leras is basically a troll on this board anyway.
hehehe

I'd still love to see DIVA get 303 modules, not to mention Odyssey modules, Prophet-5 modules, and VCS-3 modules. I'd be totally open to u-he selling these as module pack upgrades for DIVA, sort of like what they did with ZebraHz.

I'd go for that... or a second synth of similar design... it might too crowded with too many different modules in Diva... I'd have to play with it to tell...

In any case, I'm sure we have more Diva type goodness to look forward to in whatever form it comes!

Diva is just so freakin good sounding!!