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Trakstar · Post by **Trakstar** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:30 pm

sheikh al Dudeilan wrote:
Trakstar wrote:when you get a wet dry mix nob, slowly rotate from wet 100% to dry 100% and listen to the sound as the nob travels the duration. It goes from over compressed to dry signal, usually I set them around 60% when I want a more natural sound, it adds to a balance of a more natural feel than just having a signal that can be squashed too much, especially when it comes to stuff like final mixes. It can also let the audio material breathe a little too and when you have a lot of bass frequencies combined with the hi pass sidechain you will understand when you try it out and listen
Hey, Trakstar, thanks for the heads up, but I happen to already know how a Dry-Wet mix knob works. What I meant with my post above was to ask for more precision, for some 'visual' feedback on how strong the two signals are and how the Dry-Wet [or separate Dry and Wet] mix knob is affecting them.

I can be as intuitive as necessary, but sometimes it just helps to have more control and some visual feedback - numeric displays, for example.

yeah, ill bear that in mind for future reference.
(memo to self_
Sheikh al dudeilan is not as thick as I thought)

PS_ what were you meaning concerning visual feedback, in percentage or decibels perhaps, or even waveform display

sheikh al Dudeilan · Post by **sheikh al Dudeilan** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:40 pm

Trakstar wrote:yeah, ill bear that in mind for future reference.
(memo to self_
Sheikh al dudeilan is not as thick as I thought)

PS_ what were you meaning concerning visual feedback, in percentage or decibels perhaps, or even waveform display

Thanks, I'm flattered here!

I meant decibels, simple digit displays. But a developer can implement anything he likes.

[Of course I can mix dry-wet streams with some modular host, but it's quite some work.]

FabienTDR · Post by **FabienTDR** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:12 pm

@sheikh al Dudeilan, @Trakstar:

I had to giggle for a second when I read Vladg's comment about the manual, it seems that developers are the only species that actually reads manuals

Anyway, let me clear up the Dry mix concept:

"Makeup" and "Dry mix" work like a 2 channel mixing desk.

"Makeup" amplifies the compressed signal, "Dry Mix" amplifies the original signal. Both are simply mixed to together.

So, "Dry Mix" is definitely not a "Dry/Wet" knob.

--[COMPRESSOR]--[MAKEUP]----|
-----------------[DRYMIX]-----[+]-----

The idea behind this structure is that you can do upward compression as described by Bob Katz: You can mix the compressed signal into the original signal. I also like to work the other way around.

I personally prefer this approach and decided to use it after long discussions with the beta testers.

Please load the "Upward compression reset" preset, increase the makeup gain and look at the transfer function. There is visual feedback

sheikh al Dudeilan · Post by **sheikh al Dudeilan** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:36 pm

FabienTDR wrote:"Makeup" and "Dry mix" work like a 2 channel mixing desk.

"Makeup" amplifies the compressed signal, "Dry Mix" amplifies the original signal. Both are simply mixed to together.

<snip>

There is visual feedback

Hmmm, yes but it's not quite precise that way. Makeup also feeds the signal back into the compressor, to determine the reduction level. There is compression with negative makeup levels and the output sound is somewhat reduced in volume, and with positive it usually goes well above 0 dB, so the wet signal could vary in quite some range. Adding Dry Mix to this simply makes it too hard for me to know what's actually going on. And I have to resort to external measuring tools...

But anyways, FabienTDR, thanks - now I know your view on this in more detail!

sheikh al Dudeilan · Post by **sheikh al Dudeilan** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:53 pm

Ahhh, my mistake!!! Yes, RTFM is a very useful recommendation!

So, Makeup is just that - a volume knob, has no influence on compression levels. OK then, I learned something new today!

FabienTDR · Post by **FabienTDR** » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:59 pm

sheikh al Dudeilan wrote:
Hmmm, yes but it's not quite precise that way. Makeup also feeds the signal back into the compressor, to determine the reduction level.

There is compression with negative makeup levels and the output sound is somewhat reduced in volume, and with positive it usually goes well above 0 dB, so the wet signal could vary in quite some range. Adding Dry Mix to this simply makes it too hard for me to know what's actually going on. And I have to resort to external measuring tools...

But anyways, FabienTDR, thanks - now I know your view on this in more detail!

Makeup happens after outside feed-back loop, not inside. It doesn't affect the detection level.

I'm not sure what you mean in the second paragraph. But I guess you're mentioning the fact that you can't directly control the output level. This is true, but every mastering related scenario will involve some kind of limiter (and its metering) at a later point. That's why I didn't add an additional output knob. A previous version of the TDR compressor came with such an additional output knob, but tester found it to be less useful in practice.

Again, I'm not really sure about your question, so please correct me.

EDIT: Oh, perfectly synced posts! Sorry, didn't see your last message..

sheikh al Dudeilan · Post by **sheikh al Dudeilan** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:51 pm

I should have read the manual before asking questions!

I assumed the Makeup gain is influencing compression in some way, but as confirmed, that's not the case.

The way it is, the compressor is perfect, although it's really somewhat difficult to accurately control the mix of dry and wet signals from the GUI.

What else can I say... top notch stuff! Thanks again, Fabien, this is going to be used and loved by lots of people.

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:35 pm

sheikh al Dudeilan wrote:... top notch stuff! Thanks again, Fabien, this is going to be used and loved by lots of people.

And, hopefully, eventually be loved and used by lots of Mac people…

Best,

Joachim

FabienTDR · Post by **FabienTDR** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:49 pm

Hi everyone,

I just released version 1.0.0 of the Feedback Compressor!

http://www.tokyodawn.net/tdr-feedback-compressor/

I'd like to thank all people involved in the beta evaluation phase. You were a fantastic help, so I hope everyone is happy with the results! Now make some damn great music

enroe · Post by **enroe** » Sat Sep 01, 2012 6:57 pm

Great work, Fabien!
Thank you!

dark_virus · Post by **dark_virus** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:31 am

I found it at the Bedroom Producers blog. Seems a very interesting compressor, and what an amazing GUI!

Thanks Fabien! Will try it ASAP!

V'ger · Post by **V'ger** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:10 pm

Grats with the release and thanks for giving it away.

scalawag · Post by **scalawag** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 3:43 pm

Thanks Fabien!

A.M. Gold · Post by **A.M. Gold** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:17 pm

"Transparent" is a bigtime cliche, but I think it definitely applies to this great compressor!

IrionDaRonin · Post by **IrionDaRonin** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 11:27 pm

Thanks for the compressor. Top notch

Have a good day and keep up the good work

Anyone tried the new TDR Feedback Compressor?