Is there any synth out there that has the sound quality of U-He Diva?

[Crackbaby]

For a user, the competition is not between synths or developers. It's about food vs more softsynths

I know many confuse this and jump on the we vs them xenophobia. Yuk, xenophobia is everywhere in any form. Be it against a group of people based on religion, accent, synth of choice or football team. It's an intellectual disease (imho) which can only be cured by thought.

How utopia at kvr should be.

All developers get equal exposure in the form of mentioning at the news section when something new has occured.
Developers compete by making better synths and effects - they show their work by demos and audio.
Users judge these demos and decide based on how much they value it's [everything] vs cost.
User should not feel envy vs anyone. If user want more synths, then he or she has to work for it.
If user find one demo unappealing he or she will not make a purchase. Developer will notice this and work harder and maybe research the market better.

It's so simple..! Why does it have to be any hostile argumentation at all?!
Is there not enough conflict in your lives? And by "your" i refer to those who split up posts and attack sentences out of context and all of those who goes in to defend a developer with hostile arguments. Please express how much you love a synth, i think most likes to read that. It spawns new ideas and broadens your vision.

I LOVE all my synths and effects. Im humble for all the hard work the devs have done for me and i admire their passion.

Now please, please, let's get back to synths and sounds...!

Ingo, i would love if you could share some more thoughts of the synths in that thread you linked! There's a bunch of SH1-4 etc there. Are they worth the download and possible false positive alerts which is a big annoyance to fix as on my computer I don't know much of their sound but i can only assume that the more common emulations are of synths that ... are better somehow?

[Nielzie]

(they're almost identical, no?).

Not that much..

[Ingonator]

Ingo, i would love if you could share some more thoughts of the synths in that thread you linked! There's a bunch of SH1-4 etc there. Are they worth the download and possible false positive alerts which is a big annoyance to fix as on my computer I don't know much of their sound but i can only assume that the more common emulations are of synths that ... are better somehow?

I would like to but i hardly checked all plugins in the list. The ones i currently use myself are marked with yellow color if that helps.
Besides that i also have other projects i have to care about including some work for e.g. Tone2 ElecraX.

Currently i finished repgrogramming all 64 original Jupiter 8 patch sheets with Arturia Jupiter 8V and now started optimizing based on the audio demos here (and some YouTube videos):
http://www.synthmania.com/jupiter-8.htm

As soon as they are at least close (more optimizations later) i'll start a new thread at KVR where i publish the bank for free.
If people like they could post their own optimizations at that thread then.

If Peter publishes his free bank for Sonicprojects OP-X Pro II we will have another excellent reference.

If everything looks fine at the end i consider sending the final bank to Arturia so they could add it to their free presets download section.


Ingo

[Urs]

There are as many differences between different 0df filters that you could find in non 0df filters before. Its really that simple.

True.

It's also very simple to measure properties of analogue filters and compare them to digital counterparts. Some companies (not talking about Xils here, they've been clear about their bases) refuse to base their "analogue emulations" on any specific filter model or even topology. They just say "analogue model" or "analogue sound". What's that supposed to mean even? One either builds a filter based on an analogue model, or one doesn't. If one does, then one should be able to name the topology, otherwise it comes across as being afraid of comparison tothe real deal. What else is there to make out?

So here's my guess: If certain companies had revealed what their models are based on, no-one would need to do a comparison with Diva. But as long as they're too anxious to reveal their sources, there'll be Diva. Example: No-one has compared any CS-80 emulation to Diva, because it's obviously irrelevant to do so.

Conclusion: The lack of openness (or faith?) of some guys has cost me a lot of nerves, and Ingo a lot of grief about Diva.

[Ingonator]

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[trimph1]

THen i all those thraeds there were almost no audio demo comparisons with other synths.

Happy to oblige.

Two guitar patches; one from the Saurus factory bank, the other a diy Diva patch.

Daz

Ozo

Sorry - I can't remember which is which.

You would 'forget' wouldn't you?

Both sound pretty good here...

[ariston]

Not a big fan of audio comparisons, but it seems like if you're comparing quality, then it would make sense to do some sounds that are taken to extremes (audio rate modulations, extreme low and high frequencies, filter resonance and feedback cranked up, etc.). This is the part where Diva is... let's just say: a tough act to follow.


And I'd also like to hear some comparisons pre-hype and post-hype. Apparently, too much enthusiasm changes the sound of a synth to a point where it loses quality.

[hakey]

I'd also like to hear some comparisons pre-hype and post-hype. Apparently, too much enthusiasm changes the sound of a synth to a point where it loses quality.

[braj]

Lots of jealously when beautiful girls are involved!

[Ingonator]

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[ariston]

Maybe something like this?

Slim Phatty - Acidic Phatty 1

Slim Phatty - Filter Mod Demo 1

Yeah, that's more like it. Too bad it's not Diva, though, since it's the only synth I will listen to from now on.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. That's it! No more Diva jibes for me!

Thanks for sharing these samples.

[Ingonator]

Thanks for sharing these samples.

You're welcome.


Ingo

[LeVzi]

Now that you mentioned ABL ............. Venom vs ABL vs D16? Is there more? Not really looking for the sequencer this time, just 303 synth engine

Overdriven the Venom wins my heart ... especially if you mix in a second oscillator .. sacrilege i know! but it sounds so fat!

The D16 does accurate clean 303's and the ABL does very cool distorted 303's.

I would have said it was the other way around tbh, ABL sounds more like a 303 to me clean and the D16 one sounds awesome when using distortion, very acid linesque.

[Crackbaby]

Im sitting here running ACE through Etch's filters (the filter has to be monophonic, ie respond to last entered key .. OR i have to make hell of trouble with several instances of ACE and ETCH if i want polyphony).

I really like the sound. The question that spawned in my head:

How much in synths like [insert mentioned synths in thread] does the osc, env and filters interact with each other? Is there for instance some current changing for the oscillator when the filter self resonates?

And guys.. devs.... please release filter modules for mux Im not sure mr mutools (still don't know first name .. Jo?) has a way to add other's modules, but it would be soooooooo cool

[Crackbaby]

Just wanted to add a question to devs reading:

Is it any way insulting or maybe feeling like i don't appreciate all your work if i mix and match synths and filters from other devs? For me that's part of the fun.. To break the rules

I think Mux has opened a door to a truly modular host. Build your own synth, build your UI.