2CAudio B2: Full Body. Maximum Attitude.

[JorgV]

About the preset search/browser:
(also bought b2 btw! This is gonna be great for "normal" reverb and sound design. Hope you guys get the manual complete soon!)

I read somewhere (here or on Gearslutz) why the dual engine presets are categorized as they are, but it isn't particularly useful if your searching for presets. For instance, (for me), it would make more sense if all the "hall" presets are under one tab - whether they are single or dual engine. Some sort of category browser (like the cubase vst3 preset browsers) would be even better. Like hall->small->dark->single engine. Or something. I hope this makes sense

[Andrew Souter]

Hi all,

Quick update:

The first month of B2 has gone exceptionally well. The feedback has ben overwhelmingly positive and we are very honored to read all of the various comments you guys have written such as:

http://www.2caudio.com/products/b2#Reviews

Several people have requested we keep the promo pricing active a little while longer, and we are still working on 64-bit OSX support. To thank for you guys for such a positive response we have decided to keep the promo pricing active for another two weeks. The promo pricing will remain active until/through Sept 15, 2012. Thanks for the suggestion.

This gives everyone approximately two more weeks to join the family... We hope the rest of you all will join us...

Meanwhile I will start posting some more advanced tips and tricks etc.

[ChiTown24]

the old extended-deadline-after-the-deadline-has-past routine.
a cheap marketing classic! and a galbanum favorite.

[Andrew Souter]

Well yes, I suppose it is a favorite of mine/ours... We are a small company and we decide the rules as we go along. So if customers request things that sound reasonable we are happy to be able to accommodate them whenever possible (just as I did regarding the tiered discounting pricing for PS customers which required additional web-store development to implement). I don't think we need to apologize for that... In fact, I think it is a good thing...

[billcarroll]

Well yes, I suppose it is a favorite of mine/ours... We are a small company and we decide the rules as we go along. So if customers request things that sound reasonable we are happy to be able to accommodate them whenever possible (just as I did regarding the tiered discounting pricing for PS customers which required additional web-store development to implement). I don't think we need to apologize for that... In fact, I think it is a good thing...

I'll have to agree, it (tiered pricing for PS customers) was a very good thing

Thank you, thank you, thank you!

[Sampleconstruct]

the old extended-deadline-after-the-deadline-has-past routine.
a cheap marketing classic! and a galbanum favorite.

Why so negative?

[ChiTown24]

i'm not involved in this industry as a profession, sampleconstruct, so i don't expect you to immediately understand - or perhaps you do, but just don't care?

at any rate a hobbyist like me has to budget for these things. personal pleasure aside - i can barely justify the cost of some things even at promo/2nd-hand-license prices.

so it's not kool for devs to do this in a consistently contrived manner.
to have the money ready by the deadline, i have to put things off. re-schedule a date with the girlfriend, maybe brush off some bills and eat the late fees as it still works out cheaper than paying full price for the plugin or whatever. etc etc etc there is an infinite list of personal-budget scenarios.

so it's rather annoying, rather a negative experience, to rejig your daily/weekly/monthly budget only to find out the dev never had any intention to respect that deadline. and ESPECIALLY the fact the extension is ONLY announced AFTER the artificial deadline has expired. that's the main hook of this gimmick, that galbanum so regularly employ. the desired psychological effect is to get people rushing to meet the deadline, and the beauty of the extension is it catches what's left.

other devs know to announce an extension BEFORE the deadline has expired. sometimes weeks in advance. Kudos to those devs, that is a genuine extension. they realize money does not grow on trees, or that some of their customers are simply hobbyists. a professional can justify these things as business expenses, but a wise man knows a hobbyist has cheaper if not free alternatives.

i don't expect everyone to resonate with this POV, it's hard to find wrong with two extra weeks of a promo price - right ? but i'm certain some users will understand & agree with me explicitly on this topic.

it's a galling gimmick whoever does it, but it's extra galling when they do it all the time. diverting the cause of the extension on to customers asking for it is cute, maybe even sly, i would have to ask WHEN were those requests made Andrew ? After the deadline ? ... none before ? If you say so.

[Sampleconstruct]

I do care, that's why I asked and I do understand your point. Being a dev myself I was just interested and I know, why I always stick to my campaign-deadlines and never extend them.

[Sequent]

Ah, but if they regularly employ it then that's a good thing because then if you're paying attention... you know what they're going to do even before they know what they're going to do!

I'm sort of half kidding... but actually, there does seem to be at least a little bit of a pattern with a lot of developers. Things like the "usual" Labor Day sales, etc. The Black Friday sales after Thanksgiving. That sort of thing. After a while you can sort of plan ahead for it a little, and that is not necessarily a bad thing.

I picked up B2 yesterday and I was a little miffed because even though I DO have all of the products, none of the coupon codes worked for me. Well, at least the crossgrade coupon worked. So yeah, I had to pay $50 more than a bunch of other people had to pay, but it was still worth it. B2 is a really beautiful work of coding art!!!

But even if you can't afford B2 and not even at the special pricing, there ARE other options available. One that immediately comes to mind is the Valhalla items. Another thing is you can wait to see if anyone decides to sell a used copy of B2 down the line.

As for me... I'm going to have to abstain from $50 worth of "spirits" this weekend.

[cyphersuit]

Will B2 be fixed for use in Studio One before the end of the deadline? Are there any plans for it? If so i might hold back on buying something else...

Right now the problems are:

Cracks and pops when switching presets
Crackles when using knobs
Single unchanged presets eat up to 85% cpu (i7)

I haven't experienced such bad performance with any plugin before, still am intrigued of what B2 could become if optimzed...

[Andrew Souter]

i would have to ask WHEN were those requests made Andrew ? After the deadline ? ... none before ? If you say so.

I don't believe I mentioned when people requested this. Nor do I think it is particularly germain to the topic... But the answer is before it ended of course, as it just ended today...

Perhaps more relavent to point as you see it, is that yesterday I spent all day in the car driving from Lake Placid New York (where I completed my 33rd of the 46 peaks in the Adirondacks 46'er club) to PA. And the previous days (of my vacation, which I do believe I probably earned) I spent hiking in mountains as far away from computers as possible...

Furthermore 64-bit OSX development is not yet done, and it is not within my control as this is Denis's task. Thus we want the promo to be active longer in the hope that OSX people who will not try the demo currently due to it being 32-bit only will maybe still have have a chance to try it while the promo is active.

But ultimately we run a business and we need to make decisions. They are our decisions to make. We appreciate the feedback of course, but you don't always (or even usually) have all the data we have that effect our decisions, nor should you. Thus we make them as we best see fit for all the factors involved and we try to please as many people as possible. It will never be exactly 100%...

[ChiTown24]

I do care, that's why I asked and I do understand your point. Being a dev myself I was just interested and I know, why I always stick to my campaign-deadlines and never extend them.

kool, though to be clear i'm not against extensions. i'm against the incredibly cheap, contrived trick of only announcing it after the {artificial} deadline has past.

extensions are good.

[Andrew Souter]

Will B2 be fixed for use in Studio One before the end of the deadline?

I can not say with certainty...

Are there any plans for it?

Of course. We always explore any and all bugs reported on any and all host/os platforms and if we discover an issue we fix it.

Will it happen on exactly the timeline you demand? I don't know. We have several other tasks we are working on also.

My guess is that we will wrap any minor bug fixes into into the 64-bit updates, and that we will probably not do an update before then, b/c we have our systems code on the opperating table right now to redo the GUI code to support OSX 64bit hosts... (and this effects windows as well as the GUI code is shared).

If so i might hold back on buying something else...

As you are certainly entitled to do. It is your decision. No pressure from us. Do as you see fit.

Right now the problems are:

Cracks and pops when switching presets
Crackles when using knobs
Single unchanged presets eat up to 85% cpu (i7)

I haven't experienced such bad performance with any plugin before, still am intrigued of what B2 could become if optimzed...

B2 is quite optimized, and we have mountains of praise already within the first month (in fact, B2 seems to be the best received of ALL of our plug-ins thus far to date...), so clearly what you are experiencing is not the norm.

As I already mentioned, there is something non-standard in the way S1 v2 handles channel processing. There is a problem with mono tracks and our plugs in S1 v2. We are exploring it. Do you exeperience these issues if you use B2 on a stereo aux/bus track??

Can anyone else confirm any issues in S1 v2 using STEREO aux/bus tracks?


Whatever issues exist, if any, will be fixed of course.

[ChiTown24]

i would have to ask WHEN were those requests made Andrew ? After the deadline ? ... none before ? If you say so.

I don't believe I mentioned when people requested this. Nor do I think it is particularly germain to the topic... But the answer is before it ended of course, as it just ended today...

I know you didn't mention when the requests were made. that's why i asked.
And it is incredibly germane when you claim the basis of this extension was customer requests. the gimmick you're abusing here is in the timing of announcing the extension, and you know that perfectly. which is patently why you're not willing to state when the requests were made, or when they started coming in. it would be very hard {impossible} to justify only announcing the extension today if the requests you claim to be acting on came in two weeks ago. Coy doesn't suit you Andrew.

I don't care about your vacation excuses btw, you're being sly. and you know it.
There's a phrase "dont piss on my shoes and tell me it's raining", have you heard it before ?



and, is my memory playing tricks on me, or do you seem to have a habit of going on vacation every time you launch a product like this ? <--- that's not germane to the discussion really, just curious. If i'm right I would have to question the wisdom of going on vacation at such a time. If i'm right, might I suggest going on vacation before the promo ? ....certainly if "im on vacation" is going to be an excuse that you want to employ when dealing with customer queries, bug reports, etc, during a launch/promo.

[Andrew Souter]

I picked up B2 yesterday and I was a little miffed because even though I DO have all of the products, none of the coupon codes worked for me. Well, at least the crossgrade coupon worked. So yeah, I had to pay $50 more than a bunch of other people had to pay, but it was still worth it. B2 is a really beautiful work of coding art!!!

I guess maybe you tried to order from main listing instead of the upgrade listing for the PS2...

PM your real name and I will take care of it for you...

As for me... I'm going to have to abstain from $50 worth of "spirits" this weekend.

Well that might not be a bad thing. Promise if we give you the $50 back, that you will still do this??