KVR Audio

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:34 pm

MeldaProduction wrote:CPU usage highly depends on the settings - number of bands and band order mainly. With 100 bands and band order 10 it takes a lot indeed. There's not much to do about it without sacrificing audio quality, so answer to your 2nd question is probably "no".

Ok

MeldaProduction wrote: As for L/R encoding - it is already there in the latest version .

Thanks !
(so, you mean 7.03c, right ?)

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 4:38 pm

sinkmusic wrote: (so, you mean 7.03c, right ?)

Yes! See the "LR encoding"

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sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 9:57 pm

"LR encoding" Wink.

Great ! It is a nice timesaver

Soooo... i just bought it (along with the multi analyzer)

I still find it a bit convoluted for a vocoder, but the formant shifting is great, i like the compressor/detector/gate allowing you to shape the input sound quite effectively, the others shaping features need you to take some time understanding everything but it is well worth it, and the possibilities are nearly endless (vocoding modes + matrix + modulators = tweakers delight)

PS : you were right : with "only" 11 bands (like the Roland SVC350 or the MaM VF11), in L/R mode, it uses only 2% cpu.

Now, i really wish you had a basic, simple synth so that we can play it with a Midi Keyboard.

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 10:21 pm

A couple of remarks : I think the naming conventions are a bit strange :

- On the top right, there is a "ratio" knob. I would expect it to behave dynamically, like acompressor. In fact, it is a "dry/wet" mixer, isn't it ?

- Also, "carrier volume" and "modulator volume", is in fact a "dry carrier volume" & "drymodulator volume", while i was expectig it to be a knob to adjust the INPUT volume of the carrier and modulator.
Being able to dial some dry carrier and modulator signal is a nice feature, but i must say that i woulf also like to be able to adjust (from the plugin, as it is more convenient) the carrier input and the modulator input.

Am I the only one a bit surprised by theses names ad wishing to be able to adjust the input levels ?

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Thu Aug 30, 2012 11:27 pm

MMMh, me again.
I fear i have found a bug : enabling the L/R encoding mode makes Live7 crash.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:21 am

Ok so

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- Ratio - check the docs

. It indeed behaves like dry/wet for about half of the modes, for others it is ratio between something

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- Car/mod volume - there are just too many controls already

. You can adjust the input levels before the plugin, but then it is very hard to add some dry signal without these 2.

- L/R crash? Damn, I'll check, seems working fine here. What OS are you using?
EDIT: Indeed, crashes in Live, will be fixed.

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:30 am

Hi

- Ratio - check the docs . It indeed behaves like dry/wet for about half of the modes, for others it is ratio between something .

Yes, i did it in the end

But while the plugin is great, i must say that the doc is a bit a mess or confusing : there is no general presentation of the plugin, no hierarchisation of the most important features, no usage tips... So it is a reall effort to read it and undesrtand what does waht, what is important and what is a "bonus feature"

- Car/mod volume - there are just too many controls already . You can adjust the input levels before the plugin, but then it is very hard to add some dry signal without these 2.

And what about a Tab ? With input volume, HP and LP bands for each input ? So, it would be easier to shaper the audio coming in..; Just thinking out loud

- L/R crash? Damn, I'll check, seems working fine here. What OS are you using?

Yes. I tried 4 times, it crashed 4 time. In fact, Live doesn't freeze or vanishes, it just stops producing audio, and the transport hangs. I have to escape the app manually and restart it.
I'm on Vista, 32bit, running Live 718.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:49 am

Yeah, well, I'd rather get some video tutorials... but it's too time-consuming for me, so I'm always searching for people, that can do that.
Anyway the bug has been found and fixed

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MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:50 am

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sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:08 am

MeldaProduction wrote:Yeah, well, I'd rather get some video tutorials... but it's too time-consuming for me, so I'm always searching for people, that can do that.

Time-consuming, yes i think so

I must say that i don't really like video tutorials, as i have a very slow internet connection, and it takes me hours to get a video stream, while it only takes a few minutes to download a PDF.
I know some developers ask to users or forum members to write (or translate) them tutorial (in trade for NFR licences, most of the time). Many people on KVR might be interested, and woudl be skilled enough to write a good tutorial (with advices, tips, etc).
(my 0.2$)

MeldaProduction wrote:Anyway the bug has been found and fixed .

Grat ! THanks ! Is it available yet in the downloads ?

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Fri Aug 31, 2012 11:11 am

Yes, but I have very mixed experiences with these things, people are lazy, especially musicins

It's not available yet, will be with the next version.

prodigal_sounds · Post by **prodigal_sounds** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 4:04 am

I just installed MVocoder on my Windows7 DAW (Core i7-920), and tried using it in SONAR 8.5 (32-bit). I confess I am very disappointed.

Here's what I did:

0. New empty project.
1. Insert new instrument track (String synth VST).
2. Added a MIDI track, driving the synth. Verified the audio output was good.
3. Put MVocoder in the FX bin of the instrument track, using the 'default' patch.
4. Added new audio track
5. Added a vocal audio clip (used to drive vocoding in another project) to the audio track.
6. Changed the OUTPUT to direct to MVocoder (input2)

Pressed PLAY.

SONAR keeps halting with dropouts almost immediately, and there are some strange digital clicks and pops and sometimes I get 200ms of actual vocoding, but the signal is way boosted and hits 9db over digital zero, according to the peak metering.

I tried going into "Settings" and selecting any option that suggested reduced CPU usage, but the project wouldn't even play. Immediate drop-out.

Am I doing something horribly wrong?

It bothers me that, even if the playback was smooth and I had no dropouts, I have no frigging idea what the controls in the UI do, and the help is... well, it explains each control but I find it not very helpful.

I don't consider myself a newbie at audio, although vocoding is not something I've played with much, I know what it sounds like, typically.

Right now, this plugin is making me feel very stupid.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 9:39 am

I'll check in Sonar, but so far there are no bug reports. Anyway are you using 32-bit version? People often think that on 64-bit OS you should use 64-bit plugins, but that's absolutely NOT true for 32-bit hosts.

MeldaProduction · Post by **MeldaProduction** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 10:23 am

Ok, so I checked Sonar, it seems working. Though Sonar's handling of side-chain is full of problems as it always was. Basically when I now upgraded from X1 to X1a, the side-chain handling seems quite different. For some reason the output is still mono... Well, Sonar... Though VST2 support for side-chains was always been a little hybrid, and I think that's exactly the reason for VST3.

First I didn't notice any CPU spikes or anything. Can you send me a video showing it? What latency are you using?

Now to the output levels - it really depends on what you feed in. Some synths often produce a very unstable results, especially if they don't have reasonable harmonics. Imagine a pure sine synth - all the vocoder can do with that is that one band containing the actual fundamental, which is very high in level. Now when you put vocal in it, it will usually be almost silent, because the only way the vocoder can "play" is if the vocal contains frequencies around your sine. And when it does, it will be very loud.
I recommend using some simple sawtooth synth, bass synths work particularly well.

prodigal_sounds · Post by **prodigal_sounds** » Mon Sep 03, 2012 5:20 pm

Thanks for checking, Vojtech. I appreciate the quick response. I'm using all 32-bit plugs in my 32-bit SONAR, running on a 64-bit OS, which gives SONAR a full 4GB RAM to play in, with great success, usually.

The synth I was using for the carrier was esLine String Synthesizer which seemed like a good choice. I will try alternatives. I will also try bouncing the string/synth to audio and take the synth VST out of the equation.

Huh. OK, this is embarrassing. I just tried SONAR X1(d), which is not my primary DAW but I do have it installed.

MVocoder works perfectly. No dropouts, nice vocodered output.

So this is a problem or defect between SONAR 8.5 and MVocoder, which does not exist in SONAR X1.

I don't see any reason why you should spend any effort on this, Vojtech. Clearly I've found a compelling reason to upgrade my DAW

Thanks again.

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