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Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:38 am

You're welcome

And just wanted to add.. the stop effect appears as early as in ABBAs "Lay all your love on me" from 1981. Listen to it, just before the chorus.. they were so ahead of their time with that supertrimmed pitchdown effect. Funny thing is that it was not a common thing to hear in 80s Italo disco, which I see as the "ancestor" to eurodance.

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:47 pm

Edit: It's not "Laila" by BS I was talking about, but "Only with you":

Stop effect at 0:57, typical Eurodance with a reverse cymbal building up to it.

The noise effect with a long attack that starts the song is also a little pearl in itself.
He prolly ripped every sound here from someone else, as he's not known as the most inventive guy on the continent, but has great production skills within Eurodance.
And ... you gotta give him that his concept with singing like an old witch in the verses and then thick layered soprano voices in the chorus at least is original - although it was a group of men calling themselfes "Systems in blue" who made the chorus vocals for him - as well as in Modern Talking.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 7:02 pm

Roman Empire wrote:Edit: It's not "Laila" by BS I was talking about, but "Only with you":

Stop effect at 0:57, typical Eurodance with a reverse cymbal building up to it.

The noise effect with a long attack that starts the song is also a little pearl in itself.
He prolly ripped every sound here from someone else, as he's not known as the most inventive guy on the continent, but has great production skills within Eurodance.
And ... you gotta give him that his concept with singing like an old witch in the verses and then thick layered soprano voices in the chorus at least is original - although it was a group of men calling themselfes "Systems in blue" who made the chorus vocals for him - as well as in Modern Talking.

I doubt that Dieter Bohlen did much by himself - IMO he got it produced by others. Without Thomas Anders he would never have got so much success as he had. Because Thomas Anders can really sing (without pitch shifter), and I like his voice.

I hope that's not the kind of song that azoc is composing - because every Modern Talking and Blue System song sounds the same...

Roman Empire · Post by **Roman Empire** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:13 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote:
Roman Empire wrote:Edit: It's not "Laila" by BS I was talking about, but "Only with you":

Stop effect at 0:57, typical Eurodance with a reverse cymbal building up to it.

The noise effect with a long attack that starts the song is also a little pearl in itself.
He prolly ripped every sound here from someone else, as he's not known as the most inventive guy on the continent, but has great production skills within Eurodance.
And ... you gotta give him that his concept with singing like an old witch in the verses and then thick layered soprano voices in the chorus at least is original - although it was a group of men calling themselfes "Systems in blue" who made the chorus vocals for him - as well as in Modern Talking.
I doubt that Dieter Bohlen did much by himself - IMO he got it produced by others. Without Thomas Anders he would never have got so much success as he had. Because Thomas Anders can really sing (without pitch shifter), and I like his voice.

I hope that's not the kind of song that azoc is composing - because every Modern Talking and Blue System song sounds the same...

It was just to examplify some of the terms used.
I'd be surprised if Dieter didn't even produce, cause what's then left for him to do? He's not even good looking.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 8:26 pm

Roman Empire wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
Roman Empire wrote:Edit: It's not "Laila" by BS I was talking about, but "Only with you":

Stop effect at 0:57, typical Eurodance with a reverse cymbal building up to it.

The noise effect with a long attack that starts the song is also a little pearl in itself.
He prolly ripped every sound here from someone else, as he's not known as the most inventive guy on the continent, but has great production skills within Eurodance.
And ... you gotta give him that his concept with singing like an old witch in the verses and then thick layered soprano voices in the chorus at least is original - although it was a group of men calling themselfes "Systems in blue" who made the chorus vocals for him - as well as in Modern Talking.
I doubt that Dieter Bohlen did much by himself - IMO he got it produced by others. Without Thomas Anders he would never have got so much success as he had. Because Thomas Anders can really sing (without pitch shifter), and I like his voice.

I hope that's not the kind of song that azoc is composing - because every Modern Talking and Blue System song sounds the same...
It was just to examplify some of the terms used.
I'd be surprised if Dieter didn't even produce, cause what's then left for him to do? He's not even good looking.

You can manage a production team without producing something by yourself. That's what I've meant. And you could even run a record label without ever making a song by yourself...

OMFG, I just wanted to listen to the video, and what error message do I get? "This video isn't available in your country" I think I'll go to another country if the GEMA is about to block nearly every video on Youtube...80 percent of the videos postet here at KVR I cannot watch in Germany...

azoc · Post by **azoc** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:37 pm

I just heard ABBAs "Lay all your love on me". Yeah that stop sound is ahead of it's time, I mean it's 80s

(sounds like vocals with reverb, maybe beat delay and of course pich down).

Stop effect like in Blue System is definitely the most used effect used at the time. I can't believe they didn't use female vocal for chorus, this is a shock! :O

I haven't yet looked at my samples, but I'm beginning to wonder where can I find those "laser" type of effects. BTW how to get that hit?

Here is one more song with whoosh/noise effect and hit... at 1:36

azoc · Post by **azoc** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:48 pm

Tricky-Loops wrote: OMFG, I just wanted to listen to the video, and what error message do I get? "This video isn't available in your country" I think I'll go to another country if the GEMA is about to block nearly every video on Youtube...80 percent of the videos postet here at KVR I cannot watch in Germany...

YouTube copyright sucks!!! Germany is blocked a lot and I don't get why?

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:05 pm

azoc wrote:I just heard ABBAs "Lay all your love on me". Yeah that stop sound is ahead of it's time, I mean it's 80s (sounds like vocals with reverb, maybe beat delay and of course pich down).

Stop effect like in Blue System is definitely the most used effect used at the time. I can't believe they didn't use female vocal for chorus, this is a shock! :O
I haven't yet looked at my samples, but I'm beginning to wonder where can I find those "laser" type of effects. BTW how to get that hit?

Here is one more song with whoosh/noise effect and hit... at 1:36

Every cheap synthesizer in the 90ies had at least one ore more whoosh or laser FX or some strange high-pitched toms...

There are tons of such FX presets and FX sample libraries out there...

If you really want to imitate DJ Bobo, you have to ascertain that you repeat the same 4-note-motif over the whole song and that your "rap" is 1. meaningless and 2. in basic English so that it can be understood by kindergarten kids. Ya' know, kids are the only target group that still buy CD's...

Only David Hasselhoff can surpass DJ Bobo in terms of "symplify your lyrics", that's why he was only successful in the German market. "I've been locking for freedom..."

azoc · Post by **azoc** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:29 pm

No, no, no, no... I don't wanna be DJ Bobo....hahahaha

I just posted song for stop effect!

I'll have to check out Korg M1 FX patches to see what do we have there

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:48 pm

azoc wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote: OMFG, I just wanted to listen to the video, and what error message do I get? "This video isn't available in your country" I think I'll go to another country if the GEMA is about to block nearly every video on Youtube...80 percent of the videos postet here at KVR I cannot watch in Germany...
YouTube copyright sucks!!! Germany is blocked a lot and I don't get why?

Because the GEMA and the big record labels (especially SonyBMG) always want more money from Youtube, and if they don't get exactly what they want, they don't allow the video streaming...

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:01 am

The classic stop effects from that era:

http://www42.zippyshare.com/v/27264954/file.html

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:03 am

azoc wrote:No, no, no, no... I don't wanna be DJ Bobo....hahahaha

I just posted song for stop effect!

I'll have to check out Korg M1 FX patches to see what do we have there

If you promise me that you don't imitate DJ Bobo songs

, I'll give you a secret tip:

There is a VST that makes great (tape) stop and slow down effects - and you can automate the "Engage" button!

Look here - it's the "SLowEr":

http://www.gogma.com/diverse/

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Fri Sep 07, 2012 12:22 am

Tricky-Loops wrote:You'll need an ATARI to make real Eurodance music...

And, because I didn't see it spotted, a JD-800 as well! The only 90s era synth from the big three with almost knob per parameter.

I find "american hit" eurodance to be a bit of a guilty pleasure, along with new jack swing. That said, I hated a lot of the italo-dance stuff that was more popular in europe at the same time.

You need C,Am,F,G appropriately arpegiated, a Juno-106 (or-similar), 909/808, a deep rap with the right tonality, a big female voice, and no supersaw, per se, just big unisons.

Also, fewer modern production tricks. Almost everything back then was external so the percussion isn't overproduced. You can really hear how dry and simple it is in the intro to Mr. Vain.

I also like some of this stuff from a slightly earlier period. Almost all analog; claps, delay, and sproingy toms everywhere!