The NI komplete 9 speculation thread (it's been announced)

[whyterabbyt]

Get back under your bridge,,,

No. Your absolutely right. My opinions are absolutely worthless and without merit or consideration, and I bend over (without Vaseline) to the great Gods of the Instruments of Native.

So it was just your opinion of NI's 'mindset' that people 'know' Oh, and your opinion of their business model that they 'know' too.

Oh well, Im glad its all cleared up and that now we all know that they were just opinions, instead of unfounded silly being passed off as somehow representative of facts. Good to know that that's not trolling, just countering it with stuff that's actually provable.

[chroma]

It's like I said to ew. You allow a developer version of Reaktor that saves VST's and use the Apple App Store model where you (NI) has approval of developed product and even sell it on the website for a cut of the money. Everybody wins.

...because having an 'app store model' automatically means that NI will make enough to cover any loss in sales from their flagship product(*), plus increased development costs, plus increased support costs, plus 'app store' running costs, all of which you can project better than NI...

(*) Because how many people will spend more than 379EU(**) on Reaktor 'apps' but not on Reaktor?

Well, i dunno, i mean, it's not far from the kontakt model. suppose that instead of generating vsts, you could turn your personal ensemble into a reaktor player module and sell it on the ni app store (or on your own with a fee). theoretically there are people who wouldn't be willing to drop $379 all at once, but might drop more than that piecemeal over the course of a couple years. i wonder how many people bought razor without owning reaktor first, for instance; this just extends that model. there are a lot of user ensembles like space master and silverwood which might be worth it to the developers to try this, so there's potential for some content to be there at day 1.

of course, this could mean that the user library dries up as everyone moves to the paid app library instaed - and we all know lots of people buy reaktor and never make their own ensembles, so that might affect reaktor sales. of course, who buys reaktor by itself anyways? wonder how many are using reaktor but don't own komplete. and what do you do when the guy who implemented massive in reaktor wants to sell it on the app store for $24.99?

the economics are different too... kontakt has some kind of 'flat fee' model, so you need an expensive library/guarantee of many units to make a player version worth it for the developer (cue something like infinite player which lets them amortize it over many different sound libraries). that won't work with reaktor; you might pay $500 for a cinematic sample library that runs in kontakt player; the chances that a reaktor player module would sell at all probably diminish greatly around $50. so it would have to be a different licensing model to work at all.

[Uncle E]

Yes, I'm non too happy I pay almost $500.00 for Komplete and Kontakt 5 comes out and they want what for it..?

NI has been working with the current selling model for years. If you're not happy with it, sell your Komplete and move on because there's no foreseeable change ahead.

[osiris]

NI has been working with the current selling model for years.

Maybe that's my point...

[Uncle E]

NI has been working with the current selling model for years.

Maybe that's my point...

The selling model is you buy Komplete this year, then you buy the update to Komplete next year and every year after. The model is working extremely well for both them AND their customers, and many customers seem to feel the price of updating is worthwhile.

btw, Apple, Microsoft, Steinberg, etc., all use similar selling models.

[BERFAB]

NI has been working with the current selling model for years.

Maybe that's my point...

The selling model is you buy Komplete this year, then you buy the update to Komplete next year and every year after. The model is working extremely well for both them AND their customers, and many customers seem to feel the price of updating is worthwhile.

btw, Apple, Microsoft, Steinberg, etc., all use similar selling models.

I have been a part of that model since Komplete 2. And Cubase SX2. And Ozone 2.

And Amplitube v.1. And, well, just about everything else that I own.

I'm WAY too loyal.

[Uncle E]

I have been a part of that model since Komplete 2. And Cubase SX2. And Ozone 2.

And Amplitube v.1. And, well, just about everything else that I own.

Of all these, the Komplete updates always provide the most to me. As much as I adore Cubase, I could easily skip a version every time.

[osiris]

Well, for example, how much do YOU make from that update? I see Komplete 8 Ultimate upgrade at your store for $499.00. NI sells it on their website for $559.00.....
But on the NI website that update is for owners of Komplete 8 only. All others are
v2-7 are $779.00....
How is it you can sell it cheaper than NI? Do you lose money on every sale?
(Probably not)

So it can get very confusing.

[whyterabbyt]

Well, for example, how much do YOU make from that update? I see Komplete 8 Ultimate upgrade at your store for $499.00. NI sells it on their website for $559.00.....
But on the NI website that update is for owners of Komplete 8 only. All others are
v2-7 are $779.00....
How is it you can sell it cheaper than NI? Do you lose money on every sale?
(Probably not)

So it can get very confusing.

the relevance of how much a vendor makes from the update certainly is confusing...

[ATS]

Well, for example, how much do YOU make from that update? I see Komplete 8 Ultimate upgrade at your store for $499.00. NI sells it on their website for $559.00.....
But on the NI website that update is for owners of Komplete 8 only. All others are
v2-7 are $779.00...
So it can get very confusing.

lol is it really THAT confusing? It takes about a minute of ligical thinking to figure it all out. Unless your mind is really that lazy. (this is as far as figuring out the different upgrade and update options)

How is it you can sell it cheaper than NI? Do you lose money on every sale?

Retailers are almost always cheaper than buying direct. NI and many many others do this so not to screw over their retailers who carry their products.

[hibidy]

Man, this blew up. Having a hard time understanding where this is going.

Anyways, is it safe to say that maybe there isn't going to be a 9 this year?

[BERFAB]

I have been a part of that model since Komplete 2. And Cubase SX2. And Ozone 2.

And Amplitube v.1. And, well, just about everything else that I own.

Of all these, the Komplete updates always provide the most to me. As much as I adore Cubase, I could easily skip a version every time.

I agree that Komplete is probably the best value going, and I look forward to upgrading every year. The Ultimate option last year (which I got) was an amazing bonus, IMHO. Lots of additional cool toys and tools, many of which I might have bought separately anyway. And the pre-loaded hard drive was a real time saver for installation. The value was definitely there.

The Cubase upgrades always offer just enough to keep me interested, and their upgrade pricing isn't completely unreasonable IMHO. But as with all the other software that I really like, I always try to stay current because I don't like to be left behind on new features and discussions on tips and tricks.

That said, I'm embarrassed to admit that Cubase has so many features that I'm often playing catch-up ball in actually using them. My biggest flub was not realizing that there was batch rendering until I stumbled across it in version 5. This one item would have saved me TONS of time in the studio over the years, if only I knew it was there.

Cheers
-B

[electro]

The Cubase upgrades always offer just enough to keep me interested, and their upgrade pricing isn't completely unreasonable IMHO. But as with all the other software that I really like, I always try to stay current because I don't like to be left behind on new features and discussions on tips and tricks.

That said, I'm embarrassed to admit that Cubase has so many features that I'm often playing catch-up ball in actually using them. My biggest flub was not realizing that there was batch rendering until I stumbled across it in version 5. This one item would have saved me TONS of time in the studio over the years, if only I knew it was there.

Cheers
-B

You learn to use new features and buy new products as the need arises. Otherwise you become a gearslutz who never uses half the things he has purchased.

[BERFAB]

The Cubase upgrades always offer just enough to keep me interested, and their upgrade pricing isn't completely unreasonable IMHO. But as with all the other software that I really like, I always try to stay current because I don't like to be left behind on new features and discussions on tips and tricks.

That said, I'm embarrassed to admit that Cubase has so many features that I'm often playing catch-up ball in actually using them. My biggest flub was not realizing that there was batch rendering until I stumbled across it in version 5. This one item would have saved me TONS of time in the studio over the years, if only I knew it was there.

Cheers
-B

You learn to use new features and buy new products as the need arises. Otherwise you become a gearslutz who never uses half the things he has purchased.

I will certainly cop to a bad case of GAS. But in fairness, I'm usually trying to get the next better/faster product that will make RECORDING easier so that I can concentrate on the COMPOSING that I really want to be focusing on.

Cheers
-B

[ksandvik]

I've purchased the 50% discount upgrades before next Komplete is released for four years now and it works out really well.