KVR Audio

dalor · Post by **dalor** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:55 am

abducted wrote:system requirements :
PC: Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7
CPU: 2.8 Ghz with SSE (i7 based 3.7 GHz recommended)
RAM: 1 GB (1.5 GB recommended)
Software: VST host (32bit or 64bit)

lush101=cpu hog?

Hmmm sounds like it. I love d16 stuff but if it's a CPU hog I'll pass as its really inconvenient in my workflow,I have DIVA for that.

Saurus still rocks for its sound/ridiculous low CPU.

Mushy Mushy · Post by **Mushy Mushy** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:58 am

abducted wrote:system requirements :
PC: Windows XP, Windows Vista, Windows 7
CPU: 2.8 Ghz with SSE (i7 based 3.7 GHz recommended)
RAM: 1 GB (1.5 GB recommended)
Software: VST host (32bit or 64bit)

lush101=cpu hog?

My system will fall to the ground shaking its head at me if I try that.

Guess i'll stick to my 2x real 101s

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PAK · Post by **PAK** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:14 pm

Teksonik wrote:Like I said above if you want to limit it to mono saw bass sounds then more power to you. I have other plans for this beast.......providing of course it doesn't melt my CPU and judging by the recommended specs that's a real possibility.....

The main point of emulating old synths isn't about recreating "boring old sounds" (as opposed to boring new ones). It's about things like attack transients and harmonics. IE Stuff everyone, musically inclined, should care about.

I have absolutely no interest in the SH101 hardware either. It's far too limited to waste any money on. But I have some interest in seeing that "tone" captured inside digital code, because it brings something plugins still don't have too much of for now. What we don't need are more YAHAVA's (Yet Another Half-Arsed Virtual Analogue)

Unfortunately it's a lot tougher to do tone well than to make VA's with a gazillion features. There's plenty of those already, and many of us love boatloads of features too! As long as a lifeless and boring VA isn't hiding behind them then we can all agree to be happy

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:47 pm

Aiyn did demos for it, so HE can tell us something about CPU. It sounds spectacular. D16 stuff seems to go from 39 euros to 99 euros - ($50.84 - $129.00). If they had an introductory price (and it didn't kill my CPU), I'd snatch it up.

stimresp · Post by **stimresp** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:48 pm

Looking forward to testing this. I have all the D16 plugs and they stand out from the crowd.

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:56 pm

The SH101 is my fav synth of all time. Love the sound and the simplicity. Nothing has come close to it so fsr, and this doesnt sound like it either. All the bells and whistles are not attractive and certainly dont represent the 101, so i fail to see why thay call it that. Either make an emulation or dont.

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:07 pm

Kriminal wrote:The SH101 is my fav synth of all time. Love the sound and the simplicity. Nothing has come close to it so fsr, and this doesnt sound like it either. All the bells and whistles are not attractive and certainly dont represent the 101, so i fail to see why thay call it that. Either make an emulation or dont.

+1

And to Teksonik, nowhere did I say that they should limit it to being a monosynth only, of course it's great that they extend the concept and add more features that are possible in the digital realm. But a lot of the time developers add gazillion of features but don't pay too much attention to the sound. And this IS supposed to be 101 emulation to some extent so I just hope they spend more time on the sound than on the features. That is all.

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:17 pm

No. This is 2012 (almost 2013) make an emu and improve upon it, I say.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:12 pm

pdxindy wrote:
Teksonik wrote:Because I plan on using it to make new sounds not sounds old enough to be someone's grandfather........
So you obviously have no interest in piano, guitar, drums, etc...

Don't forget how much ol' grandpa loved to sing!

I have to laugh at the people who criticize old analogs as being something obsolete, at least in terms of sound. There's a term in English... what is it again? Oh yes! "Classic."

Judged over a period of time to be of the highest quality and outstanding of its kind.

It's not just some feeling of nostalgia that people look to the classics. It's because it resonates (pun intended) with humans on another level. I'm sure if there's still a working Minimoog Model D in the year 2265, or if Scotty's got the tech to replicate it perfectly (is that only in TNG?) people will still like it just like people still like a violin or enjoy a good glass of wine. New isn't better or even good by default... In fact, I'm sure LuSH-101 won't sound as good as it's ancestors or even as good as a cheap modern analog synth in terms of pure basic sound and quality of oscs and filters, just like Diva and Oxium don't sound as good as true analogs. The tech, for whatever reason, just isn't quite there yet. Do you think Arturia can not even fill their orders for the Minibrute because people miss old tech?

That doesn't mean all these new plug-in instruments don't have value or use. I love a lot of the modern features and I'm sure that the sound part is coming. I'd love a studio that was a computer, my guitar, and audio interface and some midi controllers. IMO we're not quite there yet but close.

But I'm also not a vintage guy because while I find the sounds to be "classic" I do want modern conveniences that have been invented since the 70s. MIDI, Patch Memory, etc. So no Minimoog for me, but an ATC-1 or Phatty is good enough... though I must say I'm almost on the verge of selling the Slim Phatty because it doesn't respond to aftertouch and that modern feature is very important to me. In fact, it's a bit f'd up that they spent the time to make a VSTi editor for the damn thing and left out basic functionality like that. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the editor, but please.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:18 pm

The demos sound nice enough but it doesn't seem to stand apart from most other decent but typical VAs like Arturia, Xils Lab, AAS etc. I still might like if it gels with me on trying it out. ButI don't hear anything particularly ground breaking.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:32 pm

zerocrossing wrote:In fact, I'm sure LuSH-101 won't sound as good as it's ancestors or even as good as a cheap modern analog synth in terms of pure basic sound and quality of oscs and filters, just like Diva and Oxium don't sound as good as true analogs. The tech, for whatever reason, just isn't quite there yet.

The Scope Minimax sounds every bit as good as the Studio Electronics ATC-1 and I personally prefer both quite a bit over the Little Phatty. As a straight Minimoog software emulation, Minimax is still my favorite.

What makes DIVA so great in my mind are its MS-20 bits - which sound as close to an MS-20 as any non-MS-20/10 I've ever heard, even other analog hardware - and the ability to mix those bits with the Minimoog and Juno bits. I'll take the DIVA Juno oscillator through the MS-20 filters over a real Juno any day of the week.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 3:52 pm

Uncle E wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:In fact, I'm sure LuSH-101 won't sound as good as it's ancestors or even as good as a cheap modern analog synth in terms of pure basic sound and quality of oscs and filters, just like Diva and Oxium don't sound as good as true analogs. The tech, for whatever reason, just isn't quite there yet.
The Scope Minimax sounds every bit as good as the Studio Electronics ATC-1 and I personally prefer both quite a bit over the Little Phatty. As a straight Minimoog software emulation, Minimax is still my favorite.

What makes DIVA so great in my mind are its MS-20 bits - which sound as close to an MS-20 as any non-MS-20/10 I've ever heard, even other analog hardware - and the ability to mix those bits with the Minimoog and Juno bits. I'll take the DIVA Juno oscillator through the MS-20 filters over a real Juno any day of the week.

I'm with you there. Love the MS-20 parts. But with duophonic mode, filter FM and (imo) a better layout, I'll take it over the original! (well for the price

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pwal · Post by **pwal** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 4:15 pm

Kriminal wrote:The SH101 is my fav synth of all time. Love the sound and the simplicity. Nothing has come close to it so fsr,

hi dave, which vst comes closest, in your opinion? tia

breakmixer · Post by **breakmixer** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:12 pm

pwal wrote:
Kriminal wrote:Nothing has come close
hi dave, which vst comes closest, in your opinion? tia

I'm personally not actually worried if it sounds close or not, I wouldn't know if it did even. I'm just interested in the raw sound of the oscs and filters plus workflow/ease of use, I own every single D16 product and really considering buying this, but will demo it first before jumping in head first, I may thinks it meh!

I'm interested to know that they haven't mentioned the latest '0dfb filter'craze, have they found a better technology, used it or ignored it? This will be scrutinised against the newer synths like Diva, Uno-Lx,(Can I say Xils Lab too?) etc etc no doubt. I think the playing field is getting harder and harder to impress punters now. So hopefully they have done a good job and not ignored the competition and tried to raise the bar again...

Hope it isn't a CPU hog too!

Bring on the demo please D16!

Kriminal · Post by **Kriminal** » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:13 pm

pwal wrote:
Kriminal wrote:The SH101 is my fav synth of all time. Love the sound and the simplicity. Nothing has come close to it so fsr,
hi dave, which vst comes closest, in your opinion? tia

A couple have some close aspects, but obviously not the whole package.

Btw.....how does everyone know my name and i dont know anyone elses?