KVR Audio

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:38 pm

Ingonator wrote:Not to forget that with a real Wavestation it's more fun to use the vector stick.
There are not many keyboard controllers with a proper vector stick and if yes it's mostly "tiny" and not easy to handle. It's also fun to use the vector stick of the hardware with the plugin version.

The original Novation Remote keyboards had good vector sticks.

I got and love both but while the synth engine is quite similar i still prefer the sound of the Blofeld. This is also due to missing features in Largo like e.g. sample import, the PPG filter model and user wavetables import (with a 3rd party free editor).

Even excluding the additional features, I personally find the Blofeld to have significantly better clarity than Largo. Largo seems distorted and farty in comparison.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:43 pm

Uncle E wrote:
Ingonator wrote:Not to forget that with a real Wavestation it's more fun to use the vector stick.
There are not many keyboard controllers with a proper vector stick and if yes it's mostly "tiny" and not easy to handle. It's also fun to use the vector stick of the hardware with the plugin version.
The original Novation Remote keyboards had good vector sticks.

This is at least one thing Korg had right. I love the joystick approach over multiple mod wheels. Although, they had a tendency to wear out and drift on you.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:45 pm

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Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:50 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:This is at least one thing Korg had right. I love the joystick approach over multiple mod wheels. Although, they had a tendency to wear out and drift on you.

The cool thing about that Novation Remote is you can switch between the Korg joystick approach and the Roland pitch/mod stick approach.

Ichad.c · Post by **Ichad.c** » Tue Sep 25, 2012 6:50 pm

I have to partially blame the marketing machine:

Will you buy a VSTi plug(?) that says: "these oscillators do have aliasing - and it becomes worse - the higher the pitch - it's not a feature than you can turn off. The effects are 18/20bit. Filters are "analog moddeled" but not zero-feedback-delay.(Also in our harware version - the converters are noisy - it's not our fault - the damn bean-counters did it). But this being said - we worked our butts off trying to make something great."

The sound of old-hardware VA synths, is the sound of severe compromise and cost cutting, and alot of tweaking by the poor bastards that was told by their boss -> here's peanuts - make it great -> or else...

Fritze · Post by **Fritze** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 10:58 am

Ichad.c wrote:I have to partially blame the marketing machine:

Will you buy a VSTi plug(?) that says: "these oscillators do have aliasing - and it becomes worse - the higher the pitch - it's not a feature than you can turn off. The effects are 18/20bit. Filters are "analog moddeled" but not zero-feedback-delay.(Also in our harware version - the converters are noisy - it's not our fault - the damn bean-counters did it). But this being said - we worked our butts off trying to make something great."

The sound of old-hardware VA synths, is the sound of severe compromise and cost cutting, and alot of tweaking by the poor bastards that was told by their boss -> here's peanuts - make it great -> or else...

Cool summary!

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:51 pm

I have to disagree. I think the 'bean-counters' slobber over hardware. Costs maybe $200.00 per unit, then sell it for $1500.00.....
And you can't crack hardware
(but you can sue anyone who samples it for monetary gain)

Dr.Wu · Post by **Dr.Wu** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:02 pm

hardware synth dont use any CPU because they are DSP based which means that the programmers could take full advantage of the whole processing power available and didnt have to share any cycles with the OS or other apps running in the background. I am not familiar with the AN1X but i am sure that DIVA blows something the JP-8000 out of the water when it comes to the "analogness" of the sound.
I have no problems devoting a full core to DIVA in my 6 core Macpro-the soundquality certainly is worth it.

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:03 pm

Heresy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

osiris · Post by **osiris** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 2:04 pm

And I call trademark on that name for a plugin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ichad.c · Post by **Ichad.c** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 3:51 pm

osiris wrote:And I call trademark on that name for a plugin!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dang you Osiris, I've been working on something called Heretic! Sounds too close to yours. Back to the drawing board

invitia · Post by **invitia** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:24 am

Teksonik wrote: That's one point I've been trying to hammer home for quite some time now. A well spec'd computer with a high quality soundcard and good quality midi controller is a hardware synth.

You have just descibed the Korg Kronos, except it's not even running on a well speced computer, it uses a simple Atom. It just show how much good coding can do. And having total control of the use of CPU consumption.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:18 am

This whole subject is something that has baffled me too. I've spent the last ten years or so using and listening to vsti's but i still haven't heard anything that comes close to a nord or an sq80 (barring sq8l which is hands down the best software emu - indistinguishable imo) or even the x5d i have lying around. What is it that makes this so!?!?! All the aforementioned synths will do their job and sit in a mix with hardly any eq,compression etc. yet my vsti's always end up with a huge plugin chain just to get them sounding in the ballpark in terms of presence, weight etc etc.

I challenge anyone to match the punch, weight and presence of the sounds in these great demo's with vsti's

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:43 am

I am not meaning to flame, bait or anything like that. I love using software and couldn't live without all the convenience that comes with it, but i do find it a little strange that we still haven't been able to match certain aspects of hardware that is 20 years old or more in some cases. It can obviously be done in software as SQ8L and the nord G2 demo has proven.

UltraJv · Post by **UltraJv** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:50 am

do_androids_dream wrote:I am not meaning to flame, bait or anything like that. I love using software and couldn't live without all the convenience that comes with it, but i do find it a little strange that we still haven't been able to match certain aspects of hardware that is 20 years old or more in some cases. It can obviously be done in software as SQ8L and the nord G2 demo has proven.

I dont find it strange attall. No one has copied the Coke (KFC, Cornflakes, McD etc) taste perfectly either. Its all down to recipe and unless you know EXACTLY what that is, you can only get close.

How come "Hardware" VA's 16 years ago sounded so good like the AN1x and now....