TAL-U-NO-LX. Uber accurate Juno 60 emulation.

[fluffy_little_something]

Please control your bully instincts ........ there's no need for this vs that! If you want to fight for something or someone, step outside in the real world and help a stranger in need! Work late a couple of nights and donate your surplus to doctors/reporters without borders. Do anything but don't rush in and defend a developer as if they're disabled and spat on ......

Who are you to tell others what to think and write?! It's none of your business. We aren't in China or Russia, yet. If you don't want to participate, you are free to ignore this discussion...
When someone attacks X, others will defend X, it's decent human behavior, especially when X is a very nice person like in this case...

[chk071]

Diva costs 2.5 times as much as the Tal. While it has more features, it certainly does not sound 2.5 times as good.

Yeah it sound five times as good they are not even in the remotely same league.

Did you forget a wink smilie there? Well seriously, if that is your serious opinion, come back to planet earth please. I demo'd Diva, and yes it sounds good, but so does this. The big difference is that this emulates the hardware as accurate as possible, while Diva does not. So what's the point in comparing them at all.

[electro]

DIVA and TAL LX should really not be compared. TAL LX is a 1:1 emulation with extreme attention to detail. DIVA goes beyond and offers alot of options based on quality component modelling. Both Synths are worth more than their asking price.

Now anybody criticzing the quality of TAL LX as an emulation is simply ignorant. You can hardly come any closer to emulating the hardware Juno 60 than they have achieved with 2.0. TAL LX is a milestone achievement in Native analog emulation, and there are only about 3 or 4 other softsynths in its league.

[fluffy_little_something]

Same here, I tried the Diva demo as well. It sure sounds good, but it takes longer to get the sound I want. The versatility comes at a price.
And in terms of sound QUALITY I don't think Diva sounds 2.5 times better than the TAL. Currently, it would even have to sound 4.5 times better
They both feature the latest filter and oscillator technology, and they sound accordingly.
All in all, I prefer the TAL as I simply want to make music, not become a sound designer. Once I have a dozen instances open, the sound differences are all but gone, anyway...

I am still impressed with all the sounds one can get out of the TAL, Roland came up with a simple, but great architecture back then, despite the hurry they were in.

[SAW75]

Guys, can we stop this please. My point had nothing to do with the sound of Uno. If you are around long enough in this vst game, then you've seen some smaller outifts have trouble with pricing their product. Sometimes that's just not right for the customer. There is a reason thousands of vsts have been released since I started using them and only a tiny handful (perhaps 3) have started with confusing intro sales and retail prices that ultimately didn't stick. That clearly is a mistake by the developer despite plenty of market research being readily available. I'm of the opinion these things should be carefully considered and advertised prices should be followed through with in the short term. I mean, change your price 6 months down the line, but don't insult the people that bought into a half price special by cutting retail in half a week later. That's bogus.

It's just my opinion.

[chk071]

And in terms of sound QUALITY I don't think Diva sounds 2.5 times better than the TAL. Currently, it would even have to sound 4.5 times better

What ppl also often forget is that the price of a product only secondarily depends on what your product offers. First of all, a price depends on what the market offers, what you can get for your product. Don't want to say that Diva doesn't offer more than the U-NO-LX does, it surely offers a lot more.

[fluffy_little_something]

And in terms of sound QUALITY I don't think Diva sounds 2.5 times better than the TAL. Currently, it would even have to sound 4.5 times better

What ppl also often forget is that the price of a product only secondarily depends on what your product offers. First of all, a price depends on what the market offers, what you can get for your product. Don't want to say that Diva doesn't offer more than the U-NO-LX does, it surely offers a lot more.

Yep, all those effects etc. are not for free, either. You may not need them, but you have to pay for them.
Diva is a great synth for instrumental music, but for most kinds of music, where the instruments only play the second fiddle to the vocals so to speak, it is too much in my view.

[waltercruz]

Some great-sounding synths such as Charlatan are even for free, which spoils people and makes them forget all the time and effort it takes the programmer to make such a program, especially when they code the whole thing themselves and don't use SE or SM modules.

Sorry my ignorance, but what is SE or SM modules?

[electro]

http://www.synthedit.com/

[faun2500]

Is it me or is version 2 a bit louder?

It IS louder.

[fluffy_little_something]

Yes, some of my presets are shooting right into the red now...

On the positive side, the two chorus stages do sound a bit more distinct now. At least that is my impression, or my ears have gotten better

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Crackbaby]

So ttoz, TAL makes a great emulation of a synth and it's not a secret that it's an emulation of a synth. So why the "I care about the SOUND"? If you don't like the sound of a juno60 then there's not much to argue about, is there?

Should TAL make a version 3 that works for you? One with fat inspiring anti-awful presets? From what i've read before in your posts you already got that and then some..

If there isn't enough people making presets for UNO-LX then maybe it's because it's such a simple synth that anyone can make sounds for it. Synths like albino (10 years ago?), alchemy, zebra and whatever else with tons of modules and modulation routings require it's sound designer. A juno60 does not. That said, im sure there will pop up banks people can buy if they want to spend money on it. Since it doesn't have a delay or reverb on it's hard to make "inspiring" sounds so maybe that's a reason there's no(?) banks out there (yet).

Maybe i misunderstood your post, if so i apologize.

[Bronto Scorpio]

If there isn't enough people making presets for UNO-LX then maybe it's because it's such a simple synth that anyone can make sounds for it. Synths like albino (10 years ago?), alchemy, zebra and whatever else with tons of modules and modulation routings require it's sound designer. A juno60 does not. That said, im sure there will pop up banks people can buy if they want to spend money on it. Since it doesn't have a delay or reverb on it's hard to make "inspiring" sounds so maybe that's a reason there's no(?) banks out there (yet).

Yeah, I never spend more than 2 minutes on a sound for the ultra cheesy demo track I posted a few pages ago:

http://soundcloud.com/bronto-scorpio/u-no-lx-cheese

The synth is really, really simple and limited but it does sound quite nice imo.

I love to share presets but for a simple synth like this it doesn't really make that much sense (even if there ARE some tricks how you can get a bit unusual stuff out of it).
I only used the demo, so I couldn't save presets anyway!

It's a nice synth for a great price imo.
Buy this, download SQ8L and find some free 80s drum machine samples and you can record the next 80s hit

Cheers
Dennis

[Crackbaby]

MS10/20 are even simpler, aren't they? I think they sound great in diva, without all the extra effects and routings (that i never use anyway as i want the pure synth only)

Thanks for the reminder of SQ8L! By the way, that JX8P, i think it melds pretty well with UNO-LX even though that it's possible not an accurate emulation. I'd never program it though as the UI is a big roadblock with all the switches

By the way, i think you SHOULD make a bank for UNO-LX ... shame you don't have the full version because i think some of the sounds were pretty cool Especially the scary bass at around 32 sec. Gives me flashbacks of link & zelda on NES 8bit somehow