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synchronizer · Post by **synchronizer** » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:09 pm

Thanks for the advice. I have E-mailed him.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:36 pm

synchronizer wrote:Thanks for the advice. I have E-mailed him.

Let us know what he says.

Nanakai · Post by **Nanakai** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:39 am

Hello

I'm having a problem with the pattern maker and could use a fix/work-around. I'm trying to make a triplet ostinato, and this is the result:

http://soundcloud.com/supermilitantburr ... t-ostinato

The patterns are getting cut off short. There have been some similar problems posted, but I haven't read a solution re: the pattern maker. Also, I haven't read every word of every post.

Brass instruments seem to work fine. I understand that strings have more of an attack by nature, so this issue isn't unexpected, I just want to know how to solve it in the pattern maker.

Thanks for any help!

musicdoc · Post by **musicdoc** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:28 am

Anybody out there care to share the Kontakt program files for Concert Brass 2 before the upgrade to this new patches? Not the sample data.

The older patches had versions with just one articulation. The new way is these mega patches where you can unload some components but they are still big.

It would be nice to have a low overhead alternative when I don't need all those articulations and huge memory overhead in Kontakt. Kirk says its not available anymore. But just the French horns in their standard configuration is like over 500 mb in Kontakt. When you like a sustained sample this is the last patch you want to load.

Bought this off a group buy but it pretty much sits unused as its just a memory hog and work flow killer.

Maybe Kirk will change his mind?

Or PM me.

Hope this is not against forum rules. Not asking for anything that I don't already own the latest version to.

chroma · Post by **chroma** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 4:32 pm

you can create your own reduced version with the purge/reload options. takes some time, but it's possible.

lingyai · Post by **lingyai** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:17 pm

musicdoc wrote: Bought this off a group buy but it pretty much sits unused as its just a memory hog and work flow killer.

+1

chroma wrote:you can create your own reduced version with the purge/reload options. takes some time, but it's possible.

Up to a point, yes. But -- correct me if I'm wrong -- in order for it to know what to purge, it has to first play all the notes (so that it knows which ones to keep). In the time needed to play the notes, the thing can finish fully loading,which can cause a crash at least on my 32 bit system if I'm using other tracks with RAM demands. And in my experience, trying to load 3-4 patches is a non-starter.

A workaround is to just load the midi and the KH patch into a new empty project, render to WAV, and use that aiudio file in the main project, but again, this is a work-flow killer. Plus, it precludes playing with the KH settings while hearing what it's meant to accompany.

Also, since I downloaded and installed everything I got from the group buy last year (CS2, CB2 and Diamond) I've noticed in this thread that issues have arisen requiring various fixes. I'd asked here if a simple step by step guide to how to fix the intial installation could be posted, so that I don't have to read through this entire thread, and judge which advice is good or not -- but haven't seen anything. An outfit like Camel Audio or AAS would just create an exe file which fixes everything for you, but then again, they are extreme examples of "love-thy- customer"; realistically not many devs can be bothered to match that level of care.

In all -- my KH packages have some sweet instruments, but for the reasons given above, it was not one of my better purchases. Perhaps they're not really for hobbyists-- or at least some of us 32-bit guys, anyway -- YMMV.

chroma · Post by **chroma** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 5:51 pm

nono... you are thinking of the built-in kontakt 'auto-purge' which listens to what notes you're using and only keeps the ones you don't need.

if you open a patch (i opened a concert brass french horn patch for a sample), it takes a while to load and loads a lot of samples. but, at the bottom left, there's a button that says 'purge/load'. this lets you purge/load by section, and by articulation. if you purge everything except, say, solo long notes, then you can save this off to a new patch. i actually haven't done it yet, because i haven't had a lot of time (ironically

but it is possible in a more general way. it would be nicer if these shipped with it of course though.

EdC · Post by **EdC** » Wed Sep 26, 2012 7:52 pm

Chroma is right. Furthermore you can load/purge/save your patches in the standalone kontakt to minimize memory use and then load the new patches within your DAW.

sockofgold · Post by **sockofgold** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 1:51 pm

Does anyone care to share any links of any orchestral music they have done with any of the KH stuff? I am having a really time deciding if I "need" any of the libraries in the sale before the end of the month, and I would love to hear some of them in action (specifically Diamond, CS2, and CB2).

I have EWQLSO Gold and GPO4, but even between those two, I still feel like there is a lot missing. EWQLSO sounds great at a lot of things, but it also has a surprising lack of flexibility, especially with brass.

lingyai · Post by **lingyai** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 6:53 pm

chroma wrote:nono... you are thinking of the built-in kontakt 'auto-purge' which listens to what notes you're using and only keeps the ones you don't need.

if you open a patch (i opened a concert brass french horn patch for a sample), it takes a while to load and loads a lot of samples. but, at the bottom left, there's a button that says 'purge/load'. this lets you purge/load by section, and by articulation. if you purge everything except, say, solo long notes, then you can save this off to a new patch. i actually haven't done it yet, because i haven't had a lot of time (ironically but it is possible in a more general way. it would be nicer if these shipped with it of course though.

I see your point, but the message is, in order to use the instrument (at least on a 32 bit system), I'd need to disable the very features which prompted me to buy it.

chroma · Post by **chroma** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 7:23 pm

lingyai wrote: I see your point, but the message is, in order to use the instrument (at least on a 32 bit system), I'd need to disable the very features which prompted me to buy it.

i'm a little confused now, but maybe you're right. i mean, it is a 5GB instrument with thousands of samples; I don't know how that's KH's fault that a full instrument takes a long time to load (is it faster with other libraries?)

i would think that purging by sections is probably a lot more useful than purging by articulations; even if you are using divisilive, that never drops down more than one level in the tree, so if you (for instance) working in whole, you can purge quarter & solo without too much worry. that should help some, and all your articulations keyswitches are back.

note that it's not just purge - you can also reload, sometimes (if you only have one instrument loaded.. not sure why that is). meaning that what i started doing was saving off a 'minimal' instrument - solo only, long notes only. when i need a different subset, i load this up by itself, go to reload just the sections i want, save it, and then open a new session. i don't know why you can't reload with multiple patches loaded, maybe kirk can comment on that?

mostly this is useful for creating the reduced patches in the first place.. if you had to load the full patch every time before creating each reduced patch, it would take forever to create whole/half/quarter/solo and different combos of articulations. however, you can start with a basic solo patch, which loads nearly instantaneously, reload the whole section, save, purge whole and reload half, etc.

i am not a power user here

so i don't know what kind of problems you are running into, but give it a shot.

EdC · Post by **EdC** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:11 pm

sockofgold wrote:Does anyone care to share any links of any orchestral music they have done with any of the KH stuff?

Here there are all three together! Piano and some big percussion are not from Diamond..

http://soundcloud.com/edc-4/winterman

And this is CS2 alone:

http://soundcloud.com/edc-4/mozart-k546-adagio

SC quality is quite terrible

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:33 pm

Can anyone comment on how Diamond strings are with TVEC 4? Does it function well, just missing some articulations of CS2? Or there anything really crucial that I might miss from CS2?

sockofgold · Post by **sockofgold** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 8:51 pm

Echoes in the Attic wrote:Can anyone comment on how Diamond strings are with TVEC 4? Does it function well, just missing some articulations of CS2? Or there anything really crucial that I might miss from CS2?

I believe they are completely different recordings. Aside from the of TVEC 4, they have nothing in common. The quality difference is an important question, though, because adding CS2 into the bundle for the sale adds $225 on to the total. I personally am pretty much set on getting AT LEAST the CB2/Diamond bundle--just can't decide if I want to shell out the extra for CS2 as well...

EdC, those tunes sound great, man. Seriously, KHS should use your Mozart piece as a demo for CS2, because it is WAY better than what is available on their site. I like how clean they are. I have EWQLSO Gold, and everything is just drowning in reverb. I wish I had known how bad it was before I purchased, because it's not worth the money to me to upgrade to the close mics.

Winterman is also a great piece--both a great listen and great testimony to the quality of KHS's stuff. Although when I finished, all I could think was AUDIO JUNGLE AUDIO JUNGLE AUDIO JUNGLE.

Thanks for sharing those. If you (or anyone else) have any more works using KHS products, I would love to hear them. Only 3 more days left of the sale!

EdC · Post by **EdC** » Thu Sep 27, 2012 9:28 pm

sockofgold wrote:Although when I finished, all I could think was AUDIO JUNGLE AUDIO JUNGLE AUDIO JUNGLE.

ahah I know, I'm sorry but if I cut it they took my piece out of their library

I know what you mean concerning east west.. In a facility where I do music for commercials they use gold as well and unless I need big stings in big spaces it's a little pain.. I like the sound though.
I also have Miroslav and GPO4 and they both have some interesting sound considering the price..

Back to KHS I think that Diamond strings are good as well in respect to CS2; they are more coloured and in some situations are very useful. Romantic solo violin, for instance, is very warm and expressive but, like other sections or divisions in diamond (not all), the loop points are bad to my taste; not sure if it's a problem of mine..
Considering that is a complete orchestra for 275s is a great library to have..

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