TAL-U-NO-LX. Uber accurate Juno 60 emulation.

[Crackbaby]

Edit: Do you know any vsti similar to SQ8L ... seems there's no automation or midi learn ... it sounds great but i go crazy if i have to stare at that UI

[chk071]

I don't care if it's the most accurate plugin emulation in the history of mankind.. I care about the SOUND.

An emulation is to be judged by how close it is to the original, nothing more, nothing less. If you don't care for emulations, and you don't like its sound, stay away from it. It's simple.

[IncarnateX]

I don't care if it's the most accurate plugin emulation in the history of mankind.. I care about the SOUND.

You have my full support on that one Theo. IMFAO Diva and TAL XL are very good "synths" but call them "emulations" and they have already failed. In my headphones none of them really sound like my analog synths and being digital in nature, we already know that they never will. Sure you can fool people in a blind test where the sound has already been digitalized into thin MP3's but that is not the same as working with a 100% analog signal chain compared to a digital one in the studio. It's a race no digital emulation ever can win. Call them "digital synths inspired by [insert analog synth]" instead of "emulations" and the question about their success will be an entirely subjective matter as should be.

[fluffy_little_something]

If there isn't enough people making presets for UNO-LX then maybe it's because it's such a simple synth that anyone can make sounds for it. Synths like albino (10 years ago?), alchemy, zebra and whatever else with tons of modules and modulation routings require it's sound designer. A juno60 does not. That said, im sure there will pop up banks people can buy if they want to spend money on it. Since it doesn't have a delay or reverb on it's hard to make "inspiring" sounds so maybe that's a reason there's no(?) banks out there (yet).

Yeah, I never spend more than 2 minutes on a sound for the ultra cheesy demo track I posted a few pages ago:

http://soundcloud.com/bronto-scorpio/u-no-lx-cheese

The synth is really, really simple and limited but it does sound quite nice imo.

I love to share presets but for a simple synth like this it doesn't really make that much sense (even if there ARE some tricks how you can get a bit unusual stuff out of it).
I only used the demo, so I couldn't save presets anyway!

It's a nice synth for a great price imo.
Buy this, download SQ8L and find some free 80s drum machine samples and you can record the next 80s hit

Cheers
Dennis

Gee, when someone hears that demo of yours, no wonder they don't think much of that synth Were you trying to discredit that synth? None of my own presets sound so cheap...

[Crackbaby]

Where's your demo fluffy?

[Crackbaby]

I don't care if it's the most accurate plugin emulation in the history of mankind.. I care about the SOUND.

You have my full support on that one Theo. IMFAO Diva and TAL XL are very good "synths" but call them "emulations" and they have already failed. In my headphones none of them really sound like my analog synths and being digital in nature, we already know that they never will. Sure you can fool people in a blind test where the sound has already been digitalized into thin MP3's but that is not the same as working with a 100% analog signal chain compared to a digital one in the studio. It's a race no digital emulation ever can win. Call them "digital synths inspired by [insert analog synth]" instead of "emulations" and the question about their success will be an entirely subjective matter as should be.

But you have magic eardrums forged by fairies at the end of the rainbow so nothing digital can ever satisfy you... for the rest of us though...

[fluffy_little_something]

Where's your demo fluffy?

I haven't done any demo, yet. I spend a lot of time programming the best presets I can get out of that simple synth, and then I use them in my own music, which of course I cannot publish here as I have plans for it

But you have to admit that the cheesy demo up there is not exactly flattering

[IncarnateX]

But you have magic eardrums forged by fairies at the end of the rainbow so nothing digital can ever satisfy you... for the rest of us though...

Close enough. However, I am not saying I love analog sound better than digital, just that the claims about the accuracy of emulations doesn't apply to my hearing.

Actually I hate working with analog gear. It has been collecting dust in my studio for years now. Nothing beats the convenience of software but that has nothing to do with how it sounds.

[Crackbaby]

Where's your demo fluffy?

I haven't done any demo, yet. I spend a lot of time programming the best presets I can get out of that simple synth, and then I use them in my own music, which of course I cannot publish here as I have plans for it

But you have to admit that the cheesy demo up there is not exactly flattering

It's a demonstration of sounds... that it's cheesy was something he himself wrote so no point in arguing about that?

Whenever your plans spawn something, please let us know! Considering you have no problem bashing on others who spend their time to help us your stuff must be pretty magnificent!

[Bronto Scorpio]

Edit: Do you know any vsti similar to SQ8L ... seems there's no automation or midi learn ... it sounds great but i go crazy if i have to stare at that UI

There isn't really an alternative to SQ8L since it heavily relies on the included samples. I guess the closest you can get is stuff like the Korg Wavestation and M1.
I agree that the GUI can be a pita. Funnily enough the exact same interface works really great on the hardware!
It's just completely weird to click all the buttons with a mouse.

If there isn't enough people making presets for UNO-LX then maybe it's because it's such a simple synth that anyone can make sounds for it. Synths like albino (10 years ago?), alchemy, zebra and whatever else with tons of modules and modulation routings require it's sound designer. A juno60 does not. That said, im sure there will pop up banks people can buy if they want to spend money on it. Since it doesn't have a delay or reverb on it's hard to make "inspiring" sounds so maybe that's a reason there's no(?) banks out there (yet).

Yeah, I never spend more than 2 minutes on a sound for the ultra cheesy demo track I posted a few pages ago:

http://soundcloud.com/bronto-scorpio/u-no-lx-cheese

The synth is really, really simple and limited but it does sound quite nice imo.

I love to share presets but for a simple synth like this it doesn't really make that much sense (even if there ARE some tricks how you can get a bit unusual stuff out of it).
I only used the demo, so I couldn't save presets anyway!

It's a nice synth for a great price imo.
Buy this, download SQ8L and find some free 80s drum machine samples and you can record the next 80s hit

Cheers
Dennis

Gee, when someone hears that demo of yours, no wonder they don't think much of that synth Were you trying to discredit that synth? None of my own presets sound so cheap...

Sorry! I did my best to show of the extremely cheesy side of the plugin
And I wanted to make a demo which really just uses U-No-LX without any FX or drumsamples and stuff.

Maybe my sound design skills just aren't good enough!
I'd love to hear what you come up with

Cheers
Dennis

[Bronto Scorpio]

Edit: Double post!

[fluffy_little_something]

Where's your demo fluffy?

I haven't done any demo, yet. I spend a lot of time programming the best presets I can get out of that simple synth, and then I use them in my own music, which of course I cannot publish here as I have plans for it

But you have to admit that the cheesy demo up there is not exactly flattering

It's a demonstration of sounds... that it's cheesy was something he himself wrote so no point in arguing about that?

Whenever your plans spawn something, please let us know! Considering you have no problem bashing on others who spend their time to help us your stuff must be pretty magnificent!

That's the point, I don't think such demos help, quite to the contrary they manifest the idea that the U-NO-LX sounds cheap and weak when in reality it can sound pretty good and powerful.

My music is not magnificent yet, else I would already have published it. I hate mediocre stuff...

[Crackbaby]

But you have magic eardrums forged by fairies at the end of the rainbow so nothing digital can ever satisfy you... for the rest of us though...

Close enough. However, I am not saying I love analog sound better than digital, just that the claims about the accuracy of emulations doesn't apply to my hearing.

Actually I hate working with analog gear. It has been collecting dust in my studio for years now. Nothing beats the convenience of software but that has nothing to do with how it sounds.

Sorry for my snappy remark.
I must ask you though, when you compare a softsynth to the analogue counterpart, how do you filter out the emotional affect. Hardware is much easier to get attached to. You can touch them and even smell them. I don't have the slightest doubt that all those things affect the comparison unless someone else is in the room letting you guess which synth is sounding with your eyes closed. Possibly you'd have add some background noise to the vsti to mask the analogue's a little.

I can only compare TAL UNO-LX to the an audio/emotional memory that's more than ten years old. The feeling is back but i haven't compared it 1vs1. When listening to music from 93+ i can clearly hear when there's a juno sweeping and i can get that exact sweeping (feel) with UNO-LX. I write "feel" as my brain cant compare audio vs audio, only the emotional memory of it. If i installed some chip with phase inverters in one ear .. then maybe
Im sure TAL and U-he compare their plugins this way though to remove all emotional affect.
It could be that an individuals ability to add emotional affect to a vsti will make it sound better or more real. I have an easy time imagining an MS-10 when im playing around with DIVA. Funny enough, with modern twists like Oxium and Diversion, i have to fantasize up a hardware version of them to get the right feel.
This is maybe why plugins like StripBus is so important to me. It helps me build up "that" studio in my mind where i can 'see' the cables being plugged in.

We're all different, aren't we It's very easy to forget this when on internet forums. Ill try harder to remember this..

[fluffy_little_something]

Someone said they only spend two minutes programming one preset. With that attitude I am not surprised the results are mediocre. Many of those sliders are quite sensitive (actually I wish the sliders were three times as long), a small change here or there can change the whole sound character. I spend about an hour per preset, sometimes more. I only have about two dozen presets so far, but they are good enough for professional purposes.

I guess that is the reason why there are not really good presets out there. People who spend a lot of time on programming sounds, will eventually use them in their music and thus don't want others to have exactly the same sounds, especially not for free.

[Crackbaby]

Seriously, get over yourself!