TAL-U-NO-LX. Uber accurate Juno 60 emulation.

[fluffy_little_something]

Seriously, get over yourself!

Why? Isn't it true? Why do you think several companies (tone2 etc.) sell preset banks as separate products? Not because they are greedy, but because it takes a lot of time and effort to program good presets...

[faun2500]

Sure you can fool people in a blind test where the sound has already been digitalized into thin MP3's but that is not the same as working with a 100% analog signal chain compared to a digital one in the studio.

Excellent! Seeing as pretty much all music these days will be recorded on to a hard drive, CD or as an MP3 then the analog synth will be digitalized and will be no different to the plugin with is a lot more convenient!!

Unless of course you are recording your analog music to tape and then it is mastered from tape in a completely analog chain and then cut straight to vinyl or cassette. Then the listener plays the vinyl (or cassette) through a completely analog chain you might hear some of that analog goodness!


Lets just hope the listener is not using one of those state of the art digital mixers with his decks!





P.S, have another vote from me for this synth sounding great!

[IncarnateX]

I must ask you though, when you compare a softsynth to the analogue counterpart, how do you filter out the emotional affect.

Admittingly my test are hardly scientific but yet how anecdoctal they are the result is always the same. In my headphones it is most obvious. The digital synths sound more or less digital in terms of a persisting digital "signature sound", something artificial that my analog synths don't have. The term "plastic" has often come to my mind, which I find very strange because I do not know what plastic sounds like, so it doesn't really makes sense. Describing this artificial sound seems as hard as explaining what the color red is to a blind person. As far as the emulations goes, they might have lesser of this signature compared to other synths, but it is there, even in DIVA. I own digital hardware synths too like the JP8000 and miniKorg and both of them have this artificial signature as well, especially the miniKorg. But as you indicate yourself, our brains are wired differently, so I will gladly withdraw any suggestions that this is a universal phenomenon.

Peace

[fluffy_little_something]

Good post, faun

And let's not forget that what some people keep praising as typical analog sound characteristics were simply faults that hardly anyone wanted in the past. Now, however, we tend to turn faults into virtues, which is odd. I think good VA synths combine the best of both worlds in an extremely comfortable and affordable way.

[samsam]

. I own analog hardware too like the JP8000 and miniKorg

[Haraldator]

Seriously, get over yourself!

Why? Isn't it true? Why do you think several companies (tone2 etc.) sell preset banks as separate products? Not because they are greedy, but because it takes a lot of time and effort to program good presets...

I agree, and you can add to that "more talent and experience than most people seem to have," I think.

On that note, I should add that I've personally used some sounds made by Bronto Scorpio. And they are GREAT, so I can only figure that he has plenty of all of the above. And when you spend a lot of time programming synths you may not necessarily find it all that inspiring to "explore" an emulation of a very, very simple synth like the Juno 60, so if his little "two-minute" demo wasn't as great as some of the sounds he's done for more complex synths, then I can understand why, I think. As remarkable and great sounding as the U-NO-LX is it is something you'll use for rather simple sound design. That doesn't make it bad, just more specific in terms of what one will use it for.

I do a lot sound design myself. I enjoy programming my Moog LP, but I don't get a bottle of red wine, switch off my phone and go to town (so to speak) exploring its possibilities like I sometimes do with my Kurzweil K2600XS, for instance. (yes, nerdy I know, but you get the pont). And I don't think someone as capable as Bronto Scorpio would be that excited either.

[Crackbaby]

Seriously, get over yourself!

Why? Isn't it true? Why do you think several companies (tone2 etc.) sell preset banks as separate products? Not because they are greedy, but because it takes a lot of time and effort to program good presets...

I think they sell them as it's a way to make money to pay the bills....


maybe i have over-overestimated you, but didn't you write

I guess that is the reason why there are not really good presets out there. People who spend a lot of time on programming sounds, will eventually use them in their music and thus don't want others to have exactly the same sounds, especially not for free.

because i asked bronto (who you like to bash for some reason*) to make a (free) bank for UNO-LX? Or was it just to reinforce your excuse to not be judged by others as you judge them? Ie, you won't show your sounds as you're going to make money/fame/whatever with them. And as you realized that you could probably give one up for demo, you reinforced the impression of that each sound takes so long for you to make that it would be a no go.


*has he insulted your persona?

[fluffy_little_something]

Well, I don't know Bronto Scorpio's other stuff, I have never heard of him before. I was only referring to that one demo up there

Sure, the U-NO-LX is not for complex sound designs, but I think that is a good thing. Many people have great sounds and don't really know what to do with them. So they make one instrumental after another, each boasting great sounds, but still the music doesn't really appeal because of the music itself.
There is an inundation of instrumental music these days, not least because of affordable DAWs and software synths.

I personally bought the U-NO-LX because it does basic sounds very well. I love music from the late 70s and early 80s, that was my time so to speak. Back then they also used mostly basic sounds, and they combined them well and used them as a background to the vocals so to speak. That is exactly what I use synths for, they are not the center of my music. Actually, the majority of the instruments I use are sampled real instruments as I always found the combination of acoustic and electric instruments very appealing

[IncarnateX]

Excellent! Seeing as pretty much all music these days will be recorded on to a hard drive, CD or as an MP3 then the analog synth will be digitalized and will be no different to the plugin with is a lot more convenient!!

Agree. But then there is one obstacle yet to overcome with regard to emulations, namely that a blind tests with MP3s (and also wave files I think) already has shown that people can not tell a synth like Oxium from Synth 1 and these from a real Jupiter 8 (can not find the thread now though). Well if synth 1 can be taken for a Jupiter 8 and vice versa, why spend a lot on money on emulations? Under these circumstances a lot of synths could make analog-like patches that can not be distinguished from the real thing on a digital medium, even free ones. Emulation then becomes a qustion of sound design and not component modeling

Cheers

[IncarnateX]

. I own analog hardware too like the JP8000 and miniKorg

Yeah , I meant digital of course. I'll correct it.

[Bronto Scorpio]

On that note, I should add that I've personally used some sounds made by Bronto Scorpio. And they are GREAT, so I can only figure that he has plenty of all of the above.

Thanks

I've been doing the whole sound design thing in every free minute for more than 10 years now (well, actually almost 20 years......but I guess mangling some samples in Music Maker as a child doesn't count? ), so I hope I learned something in that period

@Fluffy: I'd seriously love to hear some U-No-LX stuff from you! Maybe there really is something I missed!

I spend a lot of time on presets, often days on a single one (Ask some guys here how long it took to get my Bazille bank together ) but on a simple synth like this I don't even want to do that.
I'd buy something like this to get some bread and butter sounds quickly.

The stuff I usually use (Zebra, Reaktor, Bazille...) is entirely differnet. I always spend hours or more on every single aspect to get the details right.

Cheers
Dennis

[fluffy_little_something]

@crackbaby

What are you even talking about? You asked Bronto to make a bank for U-NO-LX? I don't know anything about that. Nor do I care, I never use other people's presets...
I don't need to be judged by others. I don't care what you think really. All I said is that that demo doesn't exactly help the U-NO-LX's reputation... There are better demos even on TAL's site if I remember correctly.

Yes, indeed, I will use my U-NO-LX sounds on the music I will offer on TuneCore one day, so yes, I don't want anyone else to have my sounds. It took me at least two hours to program a convincing fretless bass sound. Why would I give that away for free? I don't want to make money from it, either, I will simply keep it to myself...

[fluffy_little_something]

On that note, I should add that I've personally used some sounds made by Bronto Scorpio. And they are GREAT, so I can only figure that he has plenty of all of the above.

Thanks

I've been doing the whole sound design thing in every free minute for more than 10 years now (well, actually almost 20 years......but I guess mangling some samples in Music Maker as a child doesn't count? ), so I hope I learned something in that period

@Fluffy: I'd seriously love to hear some U-No-LX stuff from you! Maybe there really is something I missed!

I spend a lot of time on presets, often days on a single one (Ask some guys here how long it took to get my Bazille bank together ) but on a simple synth like this I don't even want to do that.
I'd buy something like this to get some bread and butter sounds quickly.

The stuff I usually use (Zebra, Reaktor, Bazille...) is entirely differnet. I always spend hours or more on every single aspect to get the details right.

Cheers
Dennis

As I said, I have never heard of you before, probably because I am simply not interested in those synths you spend so much time on.

So, no offense regarding what I said about your U-NO-LX demo

Gruß in die niedersächsische Provinz

[chk071]

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[lionscub68]

now, kids, do I have to make you both stand in the corner?
take a time out?