Linux...anybody using it?

[glokraw]

I tried the date command on a cute receptionist, but all I got
was a segmentation fault

Less painful than a floating point exception or all that java palava

My fault hoping for 777 permissions from a 10 10 10

[tapper mike]

Yeah I used to run Linux fast and mostly boring geek stuff. It was important to me when I was studying web development and network administration. It was nice to have my own box for reliable hosting with little capital investment in dns routing and domain name registration. But it got to be more effort then it was worth. I was making more money subletting hosting as a third party and they'd do all the maintence.

Honestly the free programs and what not were pure crap. Sure they were lean but also sparce. I'd rather pay for Adobe Flash or SWiSH Max then try and design in "Ming" I'd rather handle my invoicing in office then open office.

I tried all the sourceforge stuff that's supposed to be both 'nix and pc compatible. I'd even done some programming in that area but what can you say about free. I never got a good paying job as a programmer based on the free stuff I helped to compile and no one ever patted me on the back and said "I like that program you helped develop" in the free market.

[ghettosynth]

I tried the date command on a cute receptionist, but all I got
was a segmentation fault

Less painful than a floating point exception or all that java palava

My fault hoping for 777 permissions from a 10 10 10

Next time don't invite everyone to the party! For that matter, why were you even trying to make it a group thing?

[johnrule]

i sure learned about choosing an interface - my Profire 610 has serious issues being firewire - DO NOT choose firewire for linux!

I had a nice surprise recently with Ubuntu Studio 12.04 (64 bit) when my M-Audio Profire Lightbridge decided to work using the firewire driver (not "freebob"). The latency is very good as the kernel is real-time...over 32 in/out show up in jack patchbay!

A recent problem with audio seems to be that the NVidia driver likes to default to the HDMI audio output (if connected)...I would not recommend that output. You should switch to the analog output on the motherboard (or other hardware) for system default.

Compiling ASIO for 64 bit is next.

[AstralExistence]

say what you want about linux, and i agree most of the linux sucks comments is absolutely true. it sucks at music production, and i have seen no new noticeable improvements either. stinks, but is slowly improving at games, no good photo app accept gimp which just blows, vector editor, forget it! inkscape is a damn joke, its been like 10 years and its still not 1.0. ridiculous!

but, theirs one thing that linux does better then windows and mac as far as freeware is concerned and even most payware too. and thats digital painting. krita, is more powerful then any other free digital painting program both on windows and mac. and is seeing massive development increases. krita is not as powerful as corel painter though, but that said, the majority of commercial digital panting windows/mac apps can't compete with kritas power. other that that, its just blows. i hate that you cant watch netflix too. but, if your a digital painter, linux is the shit.

[pljones]

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Argh, line breaks everywhere!

As a linux audio user, my take on the slow uptake, is
1. "Show me the money!" (Little market-driven demand)
2. too much fanboism
3. too much FOSS religion
4. too little cooperation between devs.

Pretty much agree with this.

The FOSS cult can fail at many levels, but to me, at least, it comes off as a drooling "occupy" front group for coders, some of whom would be clean shaven, bathed, rich, and well able to help the poor, if they would take off the rose tinted blinders, and work for, or create, a business that makes excellent software tools.

And then there's plenty of companies (IBM, Red Hat, even Canonical) trying to get rich by selling a commercial offering. But not to home users - a market not generally prepared to pay.

I posted a video I found, about the Peavey Musebox recently,

And Receptor has been around even longer, if you're after

a full in-the-box linux setup,

Again, not a home user platform. Embedded Linux and Corporate Linux are two Linux success stories. Home user Linux is a different matter entirely.

I never got a good paying job as a programmer based on the free stuff I helped to compile

I just did . Having 27 years' commercial experience in IT and a fresh MSc may have helped but I would not have got the job had I not had experience gained through free software and home use of *nix. I simply would not have had the needed depth of knowledge.

and no one ever patted me on the back and said "I like that program you helped develop" in the free market.

I get this quite often (pretty much all Sims3 user content is created with one of three methods: EA-supplied tools; "TSR Workshop"; or an open source library and toolset I wrote and support along with tools that use the library) - but that's not on Linux. I have to say home Linux users getting something for nothing also tend not to say thank you for anything. For those Linux programs I've worked on, all I've ever heard is the complaints that things don't work. Apart from one case (embedded Linux-based DAW/piano workstation using wineasio - the developers were very nice - again, not looking for free everything, of course).

[glokraw]

I posted a video I found, about the Peavey Musebox recently,

And Receptor has been around even longer, if you're after

a full in-the-box linux setup,

Again, not a home user platform.

The musebox vids look like even a guitar player could use it

might as well bump it

[glokraw]

I tried the date command on a cute receptionist, but all I got
was a segmentation fault

Less painful than a floating point exception or all that java palava

My fault hoping for 777 permissions from a 10 10 10

Next time don't invite everyone to the party! For that matter, why were you even trying to make it a group thing?

I ran the groups command, and all my friends were there already
I figured if strangers were invited, maybe I'd get lucky,
and someone would bring some .wine

[glokraw]

I never got a good paying job as a programmer based on the free stuff I helped to compile and no one ever patted me on the back and said "I like that program you helped develop" in the free market.

A lucky fellow last year found out the nice job he landed,
was in part because of some plugins he wrote, and people
had left very positive comments, which were discovered
in the interview/culling process. It would be nice if
it happened more often. I know one very generous dev has at times posted
some very lop-sided stats of downloads Vs thankyou's/donations.
Sad that people take things with the excellence of innovative software
for granted. The books are thick, and many,
and the hours to study are few.
Cheers

[glokraw]

say what you want about linux, if your a digital painter, linux is the shit.

Didn't know krita was on fire! Thanks for the heads up.
Are Picassa or Xara useful? I installed these, along with the others
you mentioned, a while back, but haven't dabbled beyond loading a beach pic,
or using irfanview for basic editing.
Cheers

[AstralExistence]

say what you want about linux, if your a digital painter, linux is the shit.

Didn't know krita was on fire! Thanks for the heads up.
Are Picassa or Xara useful? I installed these, along with the others
you mentioned, a while back, but haven't dabbled beyond loading a beach pic,
or using irfanview for basic editing.
Cheers

xara is pretty much fail, there was an awesome plan for xara to make there top commercial app freeware on linux but that fell apart. xara gave the source code but refused to give out the most important piece of the source the renderer. linux users were utterly pissed and basically told xara to go to hell. inkscape seems a dead duck, as does sk1.i dont use picassa. im mostly a windows user who every so often drifts to linux. gimp did get a pretty powerful update though.

its still really convoluted to use, that said, there quite a few thing in krita that corel painter cant even do. im not even 100 sure that corel painter is more powerful then krita. if it is, it wont be for very much longer. krita is so powerful that companies are paying for windows development. should happen somewhere in the 2.5 release. of all the linux (entertainment) apps i think krita is in a category all by itself as i cant name any other linux app that has succeeded as much as krita. certainly, most never get windows funding. spotify for linux started out as very unstable, but i hear that its running well now but cant confirm.

[AstralExistence]

also, krita now has a line smoothing feature in its freehand path drawing tool that's better then any other smoothing tool in any windows/mac painting app. and, it even has connection points for precise drawing! but, since this is a music production forum, ill leave it at that.

[pljones]

(As a continued OT aside: I had to use PhotoShop on my MSc... it's probably got all the features of GIMP (as well as the Adobe-specific bits I had to use)... but it's just as difficult to figure out how to do anything in it as any other very complex program. As I've used GIMP so long, I'm getting pretty used to how it works for the little I use it for.)

[glokraw]

also, krita now has a line smoothing feature in its freehand path drawing tool that's better then any other smoothing tool in any windows/mac painting app. and, it even has connection points for precise drawing! but, since this is a music production forum, ill leave it at that.

Harmor, and probably several others allow for importing bitmaps.
That would almost make krita an audio tool.

[james0tucson]

An interesting experiment would be to setup a Linux DAW in a limited context, say, an 8-channel multitrack recorder. Configured and trimmed for flight and given to a user with a little bit of training, and used for a few sessions. I think there are some configurations that would be received quite favorably in that context.

But the actual situation is that you typically don't get that experience. You're the one setting it up, AND the one expected to use it, AND you have to train yourself. The novice linux user who is trying to start with audio is behind the eight ball and it's not fair.

But if you walked into an already functioning studio that had a project going, let's say, in Ardour, the experience would be pretty good. Or at another point in the spectrum if you were doing audio experiments and the software being used was some combination of ECASound and CSound and the technical skills were aligned with that (console users and C programmers involved), it's possible to do things that aren't even within the imagination of your typical Windows / GUI / Mouse type of thinker.

Different strokes. WAY different strokes. Different enough to be hard to even describe how different they are.

No need to make value judgments over it. That's the other beauty of Free.